RE: KW launches new GR Yaris V3 coilovers
RE: KW launches new GR Yaris V3 coilovers
Thursday 6th February 2025

KW launches new GR Yaris V3 coilovers

Managed to nab a new GR? Need it to corner even more keenly? KW has the solution


While harder to get hold of and more expensive than ever, the latest GR Yaris has meaningfully improved on a brilliant hot hatch: faster, sharper to drive, better to sit in and more interesting to look at, it’s exactly as hoped for. But there’s always room for improvement, even in a car as good as Toyota’s turbo tyke. Step forward KW. 

As it did with the first GR, it now has a V3 coilover kit for the Gen 2 Yaris. It’s not simply a repackaged continuation either, as the springs, top mounts and piston rods don’t fit. KW says its new upgrade offers up ‘a sporty harmonic driving behavior with a tight setup that is as necessary and as comfortable as possible.’ Just as importantly, or at least it could be argued for the GR, is that a ride height drop makes the Yaris look even better. There are full touring car vibes from KW’s demo car, and the V3s offer between 25 and 45mm of lowering. Apparently customers with original GRs and V3s ‘rave about the high level of ride comfort, even at maximum lowering.’ 

Compression and rebound damping is independently adjustable, which KW reckons is notable in the world of aftermarket Yaris suspension as most offer parallel tweaking (where compression and rebound are tweaked at the same time). These V3s offer up 12 compression settings and 16  for rebound at both ends. With compression increased at the front, KW says you’ll get a ‘more direct steering response’; match it with more at the rear and oversteer will be reduced. Cranking up the rebound will reduce body roll and sharpen up responses, with ride quality sacrificed a little. That being said, two-stage valves in the dampers should keep the Yaris comfy-ish; ‘even with the low-speed compression damping fully closed’, says the press release, the preconfigured high-speed compression valve can open over really nasty imperfections to allow the wheels ‘to travel and provide damping without sacrificing performance.’

Furthermore, while KW is of course globally renowned for its suspension wizardry, it has a close alliance with Toyota in motorsport. There are KW dampers in the GT4 Supra, for example, and Reiger suspension - a company owned by the KW Group - underneath the Yaris rally car and Hilux rally raid truck. So another V3 package for the hot hatch was always going to happen. There’s even a V4 Clubsport kit coming for the really keen. But that’s for the future; for now the V3s are available to order, priced from £2,114 on KW’s UK site. That’s the easy part - the difficulty might be finding a Yaris to fit them to…  


 

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atomic69

Original Poster:

23 posts

197 months

Thursday 6th February 2025
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I've tried KW V3's in the past and they never quite got it right for me. For a predominantly road/street driven vehicle I can live with the combined rebound, but I want High speed and Low speed bump independently adjustable from a damper. Went to other brands to achieve this and have been very happy with them, but I will concede I do like KW's use of Stainless Steel for a Road Damper.

Edited by atomic69 on Thursday 6th February 14:32

SAS Tom

3,754 posts

203 months

Thursday 6th February 2025
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atomic69 said:
Tired KW V3's in the past and they never quite got it right for me. For a predominantly road/street driven vehicle I can live with the combined rebound, but I want High speed and Low speed bump independently adjustable from a damper. Went to other brands to achieve this and have been very happy with them, but I will concede I do like KW's use of Stainless Steel for a Road Damper.
Surely that’s just a case of you bought the wrong damper? Like most things, if you want more adjustability you’ll have to pay for it.

atomic69

Original Poster:

23 posts

197 months

Thursday 6th February 2025
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I didn't buy any KW damper, I said I tried them and didnt like them for that reason. I've been involved in motorsport at various levels for many years and damper tech is nothing new too me, but what I'm saying is other brands do it better in my and only my opinion (and we all know what opinions are like) :-).

I note in the article the comment about Reiger, yes Reiger are owned by KW as of about 4yrs ago but they are quite different in their piston tech (with Reiger's being superior) and price point.


Edited by atomic69 on Thursday 6th February 14:40

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

202 months

Thursday 6th February 2025
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I would be interested to know how long they last being daily driven through winter in the UK.

My limited experience of aftermarket suspension is that they don't last anywhere near as long as OEM stuff.

MB140

5,047 posts

132 months

Thursday 6th February 2025
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I can never really understand why somebody would put aftermarket performance suspension components on a sports such as the GR Yaris.

Toyota must’ve spent an absolute fortune in R&D to ensure that the GR Yaris has the best possible set up. It’s not like buying aftermarket suspension For a bog standard Astra or focus. I understand on those cars that the quality and set up of the suspension would be compromised by price and design characteristics and KW would be able to improve on the OEM setup.

But improving on Toyota R&D on a GR Yaris must be difficult.

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

202 months

Thursday 6th February 2025
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MB140 said:
I can never really understand why somebody would put aftermarket performance suspension components on a sports such as the GR Yaris.

Toyota must’ve spent an absolute fortune in R&D to ensure that the GR Yaris has the best possible set up. It’s not like buying aftermarket suspension For a bog standard Astra or focus. I understand on those cars that the quality and set up of the suspension would be compromised by price and design characteristics and KW would be able to improve on the OEM setup.

But improving on Toyota R&D on a GR Yaris must be difficult.
The Yaris is a relatively cheap car. They will have made decisions based on cost everywhere, the suspension being one of them.

How much is a WRC car? £700k, that's where you get the best possible set up.

TheJimi

27,685 posts

272 months

Thursday 6th February 2025
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MB140 said:
I can never really understand why somebody would put aftermarket performance suspension components on a sports such as the GR Yaris.

Toyota must’ve spent an absolute fortune in R&D to ensure that the GR Yaris has the best possible set up. It’s not like buying aftermarket suspension For a bog standard Astra or focus. I understand on those cars that the quality and set up of the suspension would be compromised by price and design characteristics and KW would be able to improve on the OEM setup.

But improving on Toyota R&D on a GR Yaris must be difficult.
Best possible setup for what?

Almost all road car suspension is the result of compromises, and that includes cars like the GR Yaris.

Some drivers want suspension that is less compromised for their use and preference, hence you have companies like KW offering what they do.


Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 6th February 18:07

fantheman80

2,596 posts

78 months

Thursday 6th February 2025
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MB140 said:
I can never really understand why somebody would put aftermarket performance suspension components on a sports such as the GR Yaris.
Why does anyone modify a performance car? Why do we remap, lower, put exhausts on? I think 1) personal preference and 2) It does improve in many cases on OEM parts and the GR Yaris is no exception

At least this is not as obscure as the 20 year old German set from KW, but I do wonder if they have a promotion deal with PH.

chirurgus

512 posts

245 months

Friday 7th February 2025
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ChocolateFrog said:
I would be interested to know how long they last being daily driven through winter in the UK.

My limited experience of aftermarket suspension is that they don't last anywhere near as long as OEM stuff.
I have KW Clubsports on my Z4M coupe. I used it as a daily for a few years in the UK (even in the snow) before it became a second car. It has seen frequent track use since I bought it in 2009, and I’m not averse to running over the kerbs at a corner apex if it makes me quicker. It now lives in Sydney (so no road salt, but equally poorly maintained roads).
The nearside rear damper started to mist after about 40k miles and almost ten years, and the nearside rear spring snapped after a further 10k miles. As a point of reference, the OEM BMW rear spring snapped at fewer than 30k miles when the car was under 3 years old. The springs have some surface corrosion where the yellow paint has cracked, but they otherwise have been faultless in my experience.

Edited by chirurgus on Friday 7th February 01:53

Konan

2,688 posts

175 months

Friday 7th February 2025
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ChocolateFrog said:
I would be interested to know how long they last being daily driven through winter in the UK.

My limited experience of aftermarket suspension is that they don't last anywhere near as long as OEM stuff.
One of the reasons I put Tein stuff on the car. Thicker paint!

SoulGlo

312 posts

60 months

Friday 7th February 2025
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ChocolateFrog said:
I would be interested to know how long they last being daily driven through winter in the UK.

My limited experience of aftermarket suspension is that they don't last anywhere near as long as OEM stuff.
Coilover "socks" are a thing.


https://www.yellowspeedeurope.com/products/tegiwa-...

MountainsofSussex

428 posts

215 months

Friday 7th February 2025
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MB140 said:
I can never really understand why somebody would put aftermarket performance suspension components on a sports such as the GR Yaris.

Toyota must’ve spent an absolute fortune in R&D to ensure that the GR Yaris has the best possible set up. It’s not like buying aftermarket suspension For a bog standard Astra or focus. I understand on those cars that the quality and set up of the suspension would be compromised by price and design characteristics and KW would be able to improve on the OEM setup.

But improving on Toyota R&D on a GR Yaris must be difficult.
Every component on every car has a price target and the engineers will do their best within those constraints. And where dampers are concerned, better dampers cost more money. It's not just adjustability, it's separation of low and high speed damping, stiction, stiffness, repeatability

Skaben

364 posts

170 months

Friday 7th February 2025
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atomic69 said:
I've tried KW V3's in the past and they never quite got it right for me. For a predominantly road/street driven vehicle I can live with the combined rebound, but I want High speed and Low speed bump independently adjustable from a damper. Went to other brands to achieve this and have been very happy with them, but I will concede I do like KW's use of Stainless Steel for a Road Damper.

Edited by atomic69 on Thursday 6th February 14:32
Maybe that'll appear in the V4 version? According to my casual internet awareness, I thought the go-to suspension in this price bracket was the Nitron units. Anyone compared the two?

Baldchap

9,624 posts

121 months

Friday 7th February 2025
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MB140 said:
I can never really understand why somebody would put aftermarket performance suspension components on a sports such as the GR Yaris.

Toyota must’ve spent an absolute fortune in R&D to ensure that the GR Yaris has the best possible set up. It’s not like buying aftermarket suspension For a bog standard Astra or focus. I understand on those cars that the quality and set up of the suspension would be compromised by price and design characteristics and KW would be able to improve on the OEM setup.

But improving on Toyota R&D on a GR Yaris must be difficult.
Toyota dampers (not made by Toyota) are pretty cheap and expected to last a decade. Something has to give.

Even poor quality competition grade dampers are £3k. There just isn't the budget in a road car to spend that sort of money on higher performance components like that.

These components have to be non-service items and also ensure the tyre wear is uniform and a whole host of other things that if you want *performance* you will sacrifice.

Think of it another way: If you enter a race series with a road car the first thing you do is fit racing parts to make the car perform better and actually just last the race. I'm confident there isn't a single race series on the planet that permits modifications and has winners on OEM suspension...

smilo996

3,821 posts

199 months

Friday 7th February 2025
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sporty harmonic driving behavior with a tight setup

Sounds like me girlfriend.

Coat on.....

The Yaris looks bloody brilliant and oddly for a German company, no yellow.

The Pistonsdead

7,001 posts

236 months

Friday 7th February 2025
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Konan said:
ChocolateFrog said:
I would be interested to know how long they last being daily driven through winter in the UK.

My limited experience of aftermarket suspension is that they don't last anywhere near as long as OEM stuff.
One of the reasons I put Tein stuff on the car. Thicker paint!
They look quality components, I guess regular washing underneath will keep them fresh throughout the salty winter time.

CG2020UK

2,953 posts

69 months

Friday 7th February 2025
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Never mind the suspension that car looks brilliant with those graphics and wheels love

chirurgus

512 posts

245 months

Friday 7th February 2025
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chirurgus said:
ChocolateFrog said:
I would be interested to know how long they last being daily driven through winter in the UK.

My limited experience of aftermarket suspension is that they don't last anywhere near as long as OEM stuff.
I have KW Clubsports on my Z4M coupe. I used it as a daily for a few years in the UK (even in the snow) before it became a second car. It has seen frequent track use since I bought it in 2009, and I’m not averse to running over the kerbs at a corner apex if it makes me quicker. It now lives in Sydney (so no road salt, but equally poorly maintained roads).
The nearside rear damper started to mist after about 40k miles and almost ten years, and the nearside rear spring snapped after a further 10k miles. As a point of reference, the OEM BMW rear spring snapped at fewer than 30k miles when the car was under 3 years old. The springs have some surface corrosion where the yellow paint has cracked, but they otherwise have been faultless in my experience.
Front suspension after c 40k miles:



Rear springs after c 50k miles:


estoril m3

41 posts

186 months

Friday 7th February 2025
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Do we think Toyota will EVER build a proper Yaris.. IE 400BHP, massive brakes, trick suspension etc,, They fall way short still like the GT86 they could be so much better and you have to spend about £10k on them to get them a bit more like it...

martin12345

1,007 posts

118 months

Saturday 8th February 2025
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Toyota have these inconvenient things called "Regulations" they have to comply with; emissions, noise, crash...... Also they want to offer a 3 year (extendable to 10 year in UK) warranty. They are never going to make a 400+ BHP Yaris as the cost whilst meeting the legal requirements would be phenominal.

That's what the after market are for is to take the margins in the OEM design, ignore the regulations that apply only to new cars and stretch the capability of the car for those that really want it and are willing to pay for it. Personally I am happy they built a ~300 BHP Yaris as no other OEM has done anything like it for years