RE: Honda Civic Type R (FL5) | Cars to be thankful for
RE: Honda Civic Type R (FL5) | Cars to be thankful for
Sunday 1st June

Honda Civic Type R (FL5) | Cars to be thankful for

The Ford Focus ST has gone - what's left? Oh yeah, maybe the best FWD hot hatch ever...


Many thoughts occur to you when in the company of the decidedly wonderful FL5, most notably how few you see coming the other way. In fact, I can’t recall a single one in seven days. This is understandable given its infamously punchy asking price: £51,905 is roughly twice what an EP3 cost even adjusted for inflation. Equally notable is the number of miles Honda’s UK press car has endured: nearly 14,000 at last count. Which, for a media-facing example of a current model, is a substantial amount. Presumably it goes out a lot. This is understandable, too. 

Were we left entirely to our own devices, the FL5 would likely be a bi-monthly visitor to the PH office. In the same way that Autocar used to invite a Caterham Seven to its annual handling day every year as a kind of palette cleanser, so the Civic Type R would be repeatedly ushered back to remind us what an honest-to-goodness hot hatch feels like to drive. Not so long ago it had several prominent rivals to position as class leader; now, only the Ford Focus ST replicates the quintessential configuration of four-cylinder engine, manual gearbox, and front-wheel drive. And as we discovered this week, its production run is all but done

This position at the end of the road alone would guarantee the FL5 a prominent place in our good books - and had the car’s inestimable qualities been summoned up from what seemed like nowhere (as Toyota did with the GR Yaris), our respect and admiration would be much the same. Yet the fact that it belongs not only to the wider Type R dynasty, but also one of the great hot hatch lineages - and was built in the UK for a significant period of time - earns it the kind of misty-eyed affection usually reserved for the final public appearance of national treasures. To call it a car to be thankful for doesn’t really begin to describe the CTR’s legacy in this country. 

Or, indeed, to several generations of car enthusiasts. The model’s existence famously exceeds its 25 years of availability in the UK, though you hardly need to be long in the tooth to recall the brilliant reputation the EK9 forged from 6,000 miles away. Probably it was overshadowed by the grey import clamour for all things turbocharged and all-wheel drive in the late ‘90s, but the limited-edition Jordan left an impression on anyone lucky enough to sit in one - as did the God-like DC2 Integra Type R that also featured a hand-built VTEC’d B-series engine, and drove like no front-wheel-drive car ever had. 

The obvious appetite for all things JDM was rewarded in 2001 with the home-baked EP3. Sure, it wasn’t quite as trick or as light as the EK9 (or quite as good as the version shipped back to Japan), but it was manufactured in Swindon and therefore very much ours by rights. Domestic production made it more affordable, too, and its slightly strange appearance didn’t prevent buyers from launching themselves at it with gusto. Handling sophistication well beyond the capabilities of the humble bread van would come in later years, yet much that is good about the FL5 can be traced back to the EP3 and the Type R blueprint it helped lay down. 

It was sufficiently good that its successor, justifiably or not, never quite emerged from its shadow. The short-lived FK2 fixed the FN2’s chief limitation (insufficient power) by sullying its newly introduced K-series engine with a turbocharger. One imagines the Honda technicians doing this with the solemnness of Princess Anne opening a hospice, but, of course, it was the making of the modern-era CTR, combining the sugar rush of VTEC revs with the sort of mid-range thrust that buyers have come to expect in the real world. The new output, all 310hp of it, was sufficiently on the money for Honda to roll it over to the FK8, the generation that finally did away with the region-specific Civics in favour of a fits-all-holes global model. 

Accordingly - though you wouldn’t know it from the colossal rear wing or the lip-snarling air intakes - Honda had also attempted to absorb the lessons of the class-leading Mk7 Golf; the interior was purged of its swoopy dash and sticky-out gear lever, and finally seemed intended for adults. It drove that way too, with a level of comfort and usability that no EP3 owner would recognise. But this classier surface barely needed scratching for the Type R credentials to show; indeed, they were there all the time in meticulous control weights, sensational seats, and a knee-jerk impatience for any opportunity to downshift. 

It was some achievement. The FK8 was the last CTR built in England, and the first to be officially available in North America. In seeking to globalise the model, Honda might have opted to water it down; instead, it added genuine bandwidth and didn’t let an increase in size handicap the harder edge that Type R customers had come to expect. It did not overcomplicate things either, and succeeded where the fourth-generation Megane R.S., also launched in 2017, failed. The FK8 did not need four-wheel steering or a dual-clutch gearbox to cement its class-leading status - in fact, its repudiation of such things was probably fundamental to its success. 

And so it went with the FL5. Ostensibly, the car got even wider and longer, and because it’s what Honda assumed Americans wanted, plainer to look at - if you can call something with three tailpipes ‘plain’. Inside, it was even more grown-up, retaining its model-specific red seats, but adding a level of perceived quality hitherto never attempted, much of it brushed and well-ordered and cool to the touch. It was heavier than the FK8, though only marginally. And it carried over the K20C1 lump, albeit massaged for 330hp, and stoically retained the six-speed manual, obsessively fettled for even slicker shifts. 

At the time, Honda faffed about with the reveal like it was the second coming of the F40, rather than the introduction of an incrementally different hot hatch - though had we realised then the scale of the halo that now appears over the car, we might have understood. Now, little more than two years on from the UK first drive, it is tempting to close one’s eyes the moment the driver’s door has clanked shut and silently give thanks to Honda for signing it off - not to mention preserving its place in a lineup that tends to regard excitement with the same disdainful look your nan might give to a pair of roller skates. 

It is worth mentioning that not all this pent-up appreciation is based solely on how the car drives. Much else about it now exists in what seems like a late 20th-century bubble. Having aspired to the previous Golf’s meticulous layout, the Civic’s arrangement of physical switchgear now seems impeccable, and in stark contrast to the disappointing Mk8. The steering wheel is a perfect circle and clad in Alcantara. What screens there are do not aspire to be the centre of your attention; that’s the job of the perfectly positioned and pleasantly stubby gear lever. And the throwback four-pot it is mated to.

Operating both hardly ever stops being a pleasure. Most hot hatches these days, through no particular fault of their own (save for wanting to seem amenable), tend to do A-to-B ambling so convincingly and anonymously that you feel as though nothing short of an empty runway will permit you under the rubberised skin. Not so the Civic. Most everything that is sensational about it - the control surfaces, the damping, the endlessly elucidated contact with the road, the rev-hungry engine - is palpable from the first minute to the last, and at all speeds. 

This much was evident from the start, and not dissimilar to the FK8. But with virtually no FWD competition left, it is genuinely hard in 2025 not to drive the FL5 like a middle-aged Tibetan monk, semi-lost to some maudlin state of bliss. The gearchange is just too satisfying, the ride too compliant, the engine too boisterous for you not to be willingly overcome by it all - and nor is it easy to resist asking yourself out loud why so few modern cars feel even half as good to drive. Your sense of being in control, obviously magnified by the manual but not limited to it, is entirely at odds with the sanitised alternatives available elsewhere. 

Among hot hatches, only the Toyota GR Yaris holds a candle to the Civic’s acutely mechanical finesse, and truthfully it does not replicate the assuredness of the steering nor the fluid direction changes that result from engaging with it. Even the occasional struggle with so much mid-range torque isn’t a particularly notable issue; more often than not, you’ll blame yourself for being clumsy or else too used to imperturbable AWD systems. Ditto the Type R’s slightly over-egged R mode, which introduces sufficient vertical stiffness for you to start nodding like a dog on a parcel shelf. So deft is the car in Comfort, you rarely need the additional rigour - so when you do come to select it, knowingly, eyes on stalks, the nodding seems appropriate. Likewise, grinning. 

You’ll do a lot of that. So much so that you might not even mind when the predicted fuel range dips alarmingly and you end up coasting into petrol stations for what seems like the umpteenth time. Of the many things to like about it, the fact that the FL5 turns the convenience of a modern-day hot hatch on its head - you absolutely could drive it everywhere like Hoke Colburn going to the shops, thereby sipping super-unleaded less aggressively, but you don’t, ever - is probably the one to cherish, because it speaks to the tyre-scrubbing, clutch-ruining, pant-wetting, last-fiver-in-the-tank era that it alone props up. Yes, the current Civic Type R is very expensive. But not for what it is. Priceless would be a better description. 


SPECIFICATION | HONDA CIVIC TYPE R GT (FL5)

Engine: 1,996cc, four-cylinder turbo
Transmission: six-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 329 @ 6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 310 @ 2,200-4,000rpm
0-62mph: 5.4sec
Top speed: 170mph
Weight: 1,429kg
MPG: 34.4
CO2: 186g/km
Price: £51,905

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Twinair

Original Poster:

881 posts

158 months

Saturday 31st May
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I will have one of these at some point! Good thing is - in 20 years time, they will still work too. This plus the GR rolla - who knew Japan would be the last ones standing for drivers cars !!!

Should add the M2 CS, (I know it’s a bit portly rind) but at least there is some trend bucking DNA left in the euro EV blob makers…

Edited by Twinair on Saturday 31st May 08:00

fantheman80

2,046 posts

65 months

Saturday 31st May
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Got a 23 plate 3k miler back in Oct in the pictured 'primer with a flick grey' which is a rare colour btw as it was the free one and honda didnt send many over on the boat funnily enough and you had no colour choice which was another reason I originally pulled my deposit. Had an Fk8 for 7 years at the time

It was £43k, still a chunk of change, but truth is 7 months on you can get a brand spanker for £46k as its only what's left in the dealer network stock, no more are coming over...so not sure if this is another sad tale like the ST.

I've added 20mm spacers which I think it needs, a Miltek planned to give some actual sound, and more and more owners are mapping to 400bhp no probs




Edited by fantheman80 on Saturday 31st May 08:08

mrclav

1,603 posts

239 months

Saturday 31st May
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So much better looking than the utterly hideous FK8 it replaces too.

Deessee

57 posts

155 months

Saturday 31st May
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Had mine for two months and did the NC500 for a week before Easter in 17–18°C heat every day. So lucky with that! Couldn’t imagine a better car for the route, it’s a superb machine and everything Nic’s described is spot on. The engine, gearbox, brakes, damping, steering are all superlative and when you’re enjoying all of that you’re hugged by the best seats in the perfect driving position. It’s brilliant.

GTEYE

2,268 posts

226 months

Saturday 31st May
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Awesome machine that it is, I’d still struggle to pass up buying an M240i which can be had for low to mid £40s new after substantial BMW discounts…

Yes I know the Honda has 5 doors and the BMW is a coupe but the target audience is broadly the same

ballans

870 posts

121 months

Saturday 31st May
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Great article.
I haven’t driven this version yet but I really want to. Have a feeling I’ll like it.

Jonstar

963 posts

207 months

Saturday 31st May
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Very well written article.

Best "hot hatch" ever? I would say so, as much as it pains to say, it puts manners on my Mégane RS 275 and the GR Yaris.

Gearshift - Perfect
Brake Feel - Perfect
Driving Position - Perfect
Steering Feel - Very good (by epas standards)
Interior - Very good
Engine - Possibly the only thing that lets it down slightly, could be more characterful for sure, but for a four pot turbo it's certainly very revy and efficient.

I couldn't believe the FK8 could be improved on but it has been. As much of an achievement as the legendary DC2 and already a modern classic.






Edited by Jonstar on Saturday 31st May 08:47

ChocolateFrog

32,237 posts

189 months

Saturday 31st May
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I've yet to see one on the road.

Got a soft spot for Honda so it's good to see them making desirable and class leading cars again.

OPC100

251 posts

204 months

Saturday 31st May
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This is my kind of car. The engineering behind it is amazing. One of the best front wheel drive, manual gearbox cars with great ergonomics and ease of use. What a great drivers car. The only negative points for me is the luxury car tax which won't be a problem in a few years and that it is quite big, bigger than I really need / want for the roads that I drive on. And for such a big car with the space it has in the back, it should be a five seater to give even more flexibility. Minor gripes though, as it is still one of the very best new / newish cars available.

doogle83

788 posts

163 months

Saturday 31st May
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fantheman80 said:
...but truth is 7 months on you can get a brand spanker for £46k as its only what's left in the dealer network stock, no more are coming over.

Edited by fantheman80 on Saturday 31st May 08:08
I ordered mine on 1st May, picked it up on 19th. It was ordered from central stock, not dealer network.

There were 4x grey cars available and there was a boat arriving with another 2 on, so there should definitely be some availability still.

hamish-5b0gz

28 posts

40 months

Saturday 31st May
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What a great article, if I had a spare 40k I’d get up and go and buy one right now.

As I don’t, it got me thinking how much a nice DC2 is these days (probably more than I guess)

fantheman80

2,046 posts

65 months

Saturday 31st May
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doogle83 said:
I ordered mine on 1st May, picked it up on 19th. It was ordered from central stock, not dealer network.

There were 4x grey cars available and there was a boat arriving with another 2 on, so there should definitely be some availability still.
Interesting thanks. Production has been halted in Japan for now so clock defo ticking!

Deessee

57 posts

155 months

Saturday 31st May
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Jonstar said:
Very well written article.

Best "hot hatch" ever? I would say so, as much as it pains to say, it puts manners on my Mégane RS 275 and the GR Yaris.

Gearshift - Perfect
Brake Feel - Perfect
Driving Position - Perfect
Steering Feel - Very good (by epas standards)
Interior - Very good
Engine - Possibly the only thing that lets it down slightly, could be more characterful for sure, but for a four pot turbo it's certainly very revy and efficient.

I couldn't believe the FK8 could be improved on but it has been. As much of an achievement as the legendary DC2 and already a modern classic.


Agreed the engine could use more character but the unit itself is so strong and linear for such a heavily boosted four pot that you forgive it somewhat. I quite like that it’s relatively quiet at modest speeds and isn’t all mapped RS3 pops and bangs. Could do with a button to turn up the noise when pushing on though.




Edited by Jonstar on Saturday 31st May 08:47

Curtis E Buss

4 posts

7 months

Saturday 31st May
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I'm lucky enough to own the FL5 and the Gen2 GR Yaris GTS manual. Very different cars, both utterly brilliant in their own way. The FL5 is the adult, the GR is the feisty teenager.

Paul . H

1 posts

3 months

Saturday 31st May
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Best car I have ever owned 👍

alex_2015

229 posts

51 months

Saturday 31st May
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Nice car but its qualities and slight improvements were overshadowed by the outrageous 50% price increase. Looks nicer in reality but not turning the head as I do for the FK8 or FK2.
I might get an FL5 down the road, if the opportunity for a clean one at an interesting price arises.

At 40k eur it was great value for the package, no brainer. At 60k not sure. Also the fact that it got a bit bigger, less spectacular looking.

I grew up in the 80s/90s where cars used to stand out, esp the sporty ones have daring designs. Being unlike others, so I appreciate more the prev gen shape.

Until then I'll keep my FK8 (stock apart mud-guards), so satisfying to drive and enjoy it (not necessarily speeding). The level of precise control, feedback, feeling are spectacular.


Edited by alex_2015 on Saturday 31st May 10:45


Edited by alex_2015 on Saturday 31st May 10:46

Zero Fuchs

2,546 posts

34 months

Saturday 31st May
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GTEYE said:
Awesome machine that it is, I d still struggle to pass up buying an M240i which can be had for low to mid £40s new after substantial BMW discounts

Yes I know the Honda has 5 doors and the BMW is a coupe but the target audience is broadly the same
It's a fair comparison as I'm sure you'd consider all manner of options with £40k in the bank.

I'm the complete opposite though. I wouldn't even consider an M240i. It's no doubt a cracker with creamy straight 6 and RWD, but I'd have the humble Honda all day long, with it's manual, FWD/diff and those seats.

From the relatively short time I spent with one, I can't think of another car for £40-50k that would feel as special. Honda really did put everything into these (maybe bar the interior damping of plastic trim laugh) and you can tell after 5 mins behind the wheel.

Special car.

Glenn63

3,487 posts

100 months

Saturday 31st May
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Top of my list for my next car. Had the German autos for last few years C63, M140 and really fancy getting back into a manual, more driver focused on fun car. Not seen a single bad review of them and I think they look great, purposeful but not OTT.

Leftfootwonder

1,333 posts

74 months

Saturday 31st May
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As a fully paid up Type R enthusiast, former EP3 owner and long-term Accord Type R owner, I can see an FL5 in my future. I would miss the raw engament of the 90's/00's Type R's though which is why I just can't bring myself to replace the ATR.

Since they're broadly similar in size, although ATR is narrower, I've been keen to see a comparison between CTR and ATR since the FK8. Come PH, make it happen.

Kawasicki

13,771 posts

251 months

Saturday 31st May
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Lovely cars… drive amazingly well… but a hot hatch? No. Too big.