RE: Gordon Murray: 'I can't see myself stopping'

RE: Gordon Murray: 'I can't see myself stopping'

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Gordon Murray: 'I can't see myself stopping'

The man, the legend talks us through Le Mans '95, his A110, and what he really thinks about restomods...


Attend the 2025 Festival of Speed and you’ll be enveloped by the life’s work of Professor Gordon Murray CBE, whose 60 years of car design and engineering are being trumpeted by the Central Feature in front of Goodwood House. 

If you’re not sold on static cars or ornate sculptures, then you’ll be delighted to know that Murray-designed cars spanning the breadth of his career will also take to the famous Goodwood hill. Which should sound pretty damn good, not least when a T.50 performs its 12,000rpm fly-by. PH caught up with Gordon ahead of surely his busiest weekend in some time…

PH: Goodwood celebrates 60 years of your design work. Can you pick out one highlight?

GM: Winning your first Grand Prix is magic. Then you win your first Formula One world championship. Moments like the Brabham fan car provide a lot of satisfaction; I look back on those innovations in F1 very fondly. But if you're asking me to pick one, it would probably be winning Le Mans in 1995. I've always had a fascination with endurance racing and going there with a GT car and coming first, third, fourth, and fifth felt like putting our stamp on it. In a car that originally wasn't designed to race, too. We simply took the McLaren F1 road car, lowered it, put some aero devices on it, and fitted a fire extinguisher and roll cage. We created the Longtail in its third season, 1997, where I redesigned a whole motor car with a proper racing transmission and the like. But the Shorttails for ‘95 and ‘96 were just road cars. We won the race with an H-pattern gearbox. We must have been the last to do that.

Your expertise covers both design and engineering. Does that make the process of creating your supercars a little smoother?

With racing cars, there's not much room to manoeuvre. The packaging is so tight and the regulations are so controlled. You spend most of your time in modern Formula One doing detailed improvements on the aero side. But in road cars, where you're starting with a completely clean sheet of paper and must integrate a whole design with the aerodynamics, the crash requirements, and so on, there's a general war between the studio and engineering. The engineers know which elements you can't make, whereas the studio just wants their pure design translated into an engineered car. They're always at loggerheads with one another. Whereas at the moment, I've only got myself to argue with. It's a very short argument.

Your adoration of lightweight cars is well known. Have you found anything modern you enjoy driving?

I try to drive my classic cars in the summer, but my main car is my Alpine A110. It’s about 1100 kilos, which you can feel in its transient handling and vehicle dynamics. You feel its lack of weight as a fundamental thing. I've done 18,000 miles in mine now. I use it every day during the wet and muddy months. My wife and I share a Suzuki Jimny, too. The driveway is quite steep, and when it's frosty or snowy, we need a 4x4 to get out. That's also about 1100 kilos, and it's a magic car off-road. I’m taking delivery of an AGTZ Twin Tail soon. I have eight or nine Zagatos from different periods, and I thought this would be a nice bookend. They’re only making a handful of them, so it's probably a good investment. It’s all carbon, so it should be light and fun. If it drives well, I'll use that instead of my ‘normal’ A110. I didn't buy it purely to stick in the collection.

How do you feel about the restomod movement?

I'm a purist car designer, but I'm not a purist collector, so I'm quite happy with it. I’ve got an Alfaholics car, a Zagato Junior on their GTA-R chassis, and I love it. Firstly, because I wouldn't fit in an original so I would never drive it. They lowered the floor five inches and moved the rear bulkhead back six inches – it’s a car I've always loved, but now I can fit in it. Secondly, they’re all rusted, a bit underpowered, and they haven't got all the mod cons that you need to drive through winter. I've specified this one so I can drive it all year round and take it on rallies. I’ve also built a Mk1 Escort with Retro Power. Again, if you buy an original, you might encounter fogged-up windows or axle tramp. I went a bit bananas with that, putting in a 250hp Twin Cam and independent rear suspension, but from the outside, it’s in Old English White on steel wheels, and it hasn’t been lowered. My goodness, it's fun to drive, and you can use it for anything you like, basically.

Your GMA supercars have a similarly analogue vibe…

I'm fanatical about it. The T.50 is probably the most analogue new car there's been for 20 years. I hate touchscreens in a car with a vengeance – when you're trying to drive a motor car and look at the road, and you need to go down two or three layers of menu to adjust the air con, it's just insane. In the T.50, there are no touchscreens, and every single control is analogue. A lot of them are rotary switches, because those are more intuitive when you're driving. That's a very conscious design choice. We get congratulation letters from customers saying, ‘Thank goodness you've got a manual handbrake; thank goodness you've got an analogue rev counter.’ For our two little information screens, we wrote our own software and designed our own graphics. So those menus are very intuitive and easy to use – you're not losing focus on driving.

Is it safe to assume you’ve had a hand in designing the Goodwood Central Feature?

Yes. It’s different. It's not the normal whirly, twirly sculpture that they normally have, but we like it. I think Goodwood likes it too. It's being built at the moment. We have talked to the sculptor about the possibility of making it so we can dismantle and re-erect it at our new Windlesham factory [also designed by Murray]. It would be a bit of a shame to just chop it up.

Your 80th birthday is approaching. Any hints of slowing down?

After 60 years, you'd think it would be growing a bit thin, but it's not. I don’t know what else I would do with my life if it wasn’t this. I've never worked with such fantastic people, and I'm not just talking about engineers; I'm talking about the development team, prototype workshop, graphics team, studio, and press team. I was ill last year, but I'm back to working around 11 hours a day, and I love it. I certainly can't see myself stopping. I did say to my wife that I might consider retiring when I'm 90…


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Flanners

Original Poster:

225 posts

144 months

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A proper petrol head...with his latest incarnation being lightweight analogue driving nirvana...a midfle finger to modern car designs and the fan boys..no battery no touchscreens proper dials and switches no drivel about bhp/0-60 and multiple modes etc....proper engagement enjoymemt and emotion.

His car collection isn't the usual flex/ego driven hypercar wk fest either, it mirrors his design ethos purity and interests...fact his daily before the A110 was a Smart Roadster Coupé for circa 16 odd years and now is in his collection says it all for me.

Andy86GT

626 posts

79 months

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Every other car designer out there, please take note;
" I hate touchscreens in a car with a vengeance – when you're trying to drive a motor car and look at the road, and you need to go down two or three layers of menu to adjust the air con, it's just insane."

Twinair

858 posts

156 months

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What an automotive life Gordon has had… wow…!

I wouldn’t change anything about my time on this mud ball - to date - but I wouldn’t mind having added some of the experiences that he has had…!

Touchscreens - yeah, bang on, hateful things, turning cars into mobile data collection and advertising back haul bots…

coppice

9,179 posts

158 months

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He is the real deal. I interviewed him some years ago and he was the only person I have ever interviewed , for work or pleasure , where all I had to do was transcribe the recording . Unique- most interviews need lots of editing and tidying up because people go off track, umm and err, go on too much , make non sequiturs and so on. But not IGM -he speaks in perfectly formed sentences and answers each question precisely and grammatically.

I saw his car collection again at Goodwood MM again this year and it was extraodinary to realise he had been drooling over exactly the same Sixties stuff I had been . Except then I was at school and he was already designing racing cars ....

CanAm

11,012 posts

286 months

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Andy86GT said:
Every other car designer out there, please take note;
" I hate touchscreens in a car with a vengeance when you're trying to drive a motor car and look at the road, and you need to go down two or three layers of menu to adjust the air con, it's just insane."
I was about to quote that too. A voice of reason in this world of technology for its own sake ie form (cheapness really) over function.

spikyone

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CanAm said:
Andy86GT said:
Every other car designer out there, please take note;
" I hate touchscreens in a car with a vengeance when you're trying to drive a motor car and look at the road, and you need to go down two or three layers of menu to adjust the air con, it's just insane."
I was about to quote that too. A voice of reason in this world of technology for its own sake ie form (cheapness really) over function.
Another +1 here.

So much to enjoy about his attitude in that article. That he actually uses his cars, and especially that he plans to use the AGTZ which could so easily be kept as a museum piece. Wanting to keep the FoS sculpture for the factory. I love that he's restomodded a Mk2 Escort yet put it on steelies with the original ride height. There's no pretentiousness, no bullst, just a car guy that seems to really get it.

A great read for a Saturday morning, thank you Stephen smile

GreatScott2016

1,835 posts

102 months

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Andy86GT said:
Every other car designer out there, please take note;
" I hate touchscreens in a car with a vengeance when you're trying to drive a motor car and look at the road, and you need to go down two or three layers of menu to adjust the air con, it's just insane."
That did make me smile, simple common sense. If I’m honest, I’m not a fan of his designs, but as an engineering wizard, he’s brilliant and to have such passion in his field for so long, that’s wonderful to see thumbup

stuart100

867 posts

71 months

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Flanners said:
A proper petrol head...with his latest incarnation being lightweight analogue driving nirvana...a midfle finger to modern car designs and the fan boys..no battery no touchscreens proper dials and switches no drivel about bhp/0-60 and multiple modes etc....proper engagement enjoymemt and emotion.

His car collection isn't the usual flex/ego driven hypercar wk fest either, it mirrors his design ethos purity and interests...fact his daily before the A110 was a Smart Roadster Coupé for circa 16 odd years and now is in his collection says it all for me.
I think he used to have the currently Alpine A110 too. That was just a few years ago.

spikyone

1,727 posts

114 months

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stuart100 said:
Flanners said:
A proper petrol head...with his latest incarnation being lightweight analogue driving nirvana...a midfle finger to modern car designs and the fan boys..no battery no touchscreens proper dials and switches no drivel about bhp/0-60 and multiple modes etc....proper engagement enjoymemt and emotion.

His car collection isn't the usual flex/ego driven hypercar wk fest either, it mirrors his design ethos purity and interests...fact his daily before the A110 was a Smart Roadster Coupé for circa 16 odd years and now is in his collection says it all for me.
I think he used to have the currently Alpine A110 too. That was just a few years ago.
Well done on failing to read both the article and the post you were replying to biglaugh

S600BSB

6,521 posts

120 months

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An absolute hero! Glad he runs a A110 as a daily too.

heisthegaffer

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212 months

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I can't tell you how much I'd love a beer and some biltong with him to chat cars and design etc.

Fascinating man.

Slowlygettingit

775 posts

55 months

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Overtook him on the m25 in possibly 1995 or 96. He was driving a F1 at the time in awful stop start traffic near Heathrow.
You can imagine seeing an F1 got my attention then when he returned my salute I was euphoric and very nearly rear ended the car in front.

Met him at FoS a few years ago and he was a gentleman. Chatted for quite some time, lots of pictures and he did the same for everyone who asked despite probably having a lot to do that day.

Can t stand the MacMerc SLR though.

Black S2K

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CanAm said:
Andy86GT said:
Every other car designer out there, please take note;
" I hate touchscreens in a car with a vengeance when you're trying to drive a motor car and look at the road, and you need to go down two or three layers of menu to adjust the air con, it's just insane."
I was about to quote that too. A voice of reason in this world of technology for its own sake ie form (cheapness really) over function.
Indeed.

And on rotary controls (AKA knobs) he is equally correct.

Murray is a car designer - the ones to which you refer are merely styling tts.

Then, the days of one great man being able to do the whole job properly (Dante Giacosa et al.) are nearly over.

Red6

540 posts

70 months

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He looks good for his age! Love his enthusiasm!

Panamax

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48 months

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Judging by the title of this thread he'd better keep away from designing brake systems!

TA14

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Panamax said:
Judging by the title of this thread he'd better keep away from designing brake systems!
He might come up with a fluid design smile

The Pistonsdead

5,155 posts

221 months

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Red6 said:
He looks good for his age! Love his enthusiasm!
He is an absolute master of his work, and a very unassuming but approachable guy too.
Like others have said he will always try to answer your questions and make you feel welcome too.
Just goes to show, plenty of life left in him and he enjoys work so much.

AC43

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Great piece. The man's a living legend.

RumbleOfThunder

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Bit of a hero of mine. To be at the top of his game, with so much ambition and energy at 80 years is remarkable. Something we could all wish for ourselves.

stuart100

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stuart100 said:
Flanners said:
A proper petrol head...with his latest incarnation being lightweight analogue driving nirvana...a midfle finger to modern car designs and the fan boys..no battery no touchscreens proper dials and switches no drivel about bhp/0-60 and multiple modes etc....proper engagement enjoymemt and emotion.

His car collection isn't the usual flex/ego driven hypercar wk fest either, it mirrors his design ethos purity and interests...fact his daily before the A110 was a Smart Roadster Coupé for circa 16 odd years and now is in his collection says it all for me.
I think he used to have the currently Alpine A110 too. That was just a few years ago.
I got the impression he had the classic version smart arse.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_A110

I have heard him say he just stuck the new one into automatic so I know he had that