RE: BMW readies flax composite for series production

RE: BMW readies flax composite for series production

Tuesday 17th June

BMW readies flax composite for series production

Carbon fibre is not especially kind to the environment; BMW is prepping a renewable raw material alternative


We’ve had more than 20 years now of BMW M cars with a carbon roof; bravo if you remembered the M3 CSL as the first. Since then, it’s featured on just about every model, including the standard M3, M4, M6, and M8. In more recent times, BMW has flirted with more significant carbon construction - see the i3 and i8 - as well as the Carbon Cage in an iX and Carbon Core in the 7 Series. And that’s before you get to the iffy add-ons available in the BMW M Performance catalogue. Carbon is a big deal for BMW. For lots of manufacturers, really. 

But the future of the material has been called into question thanks to its environmental impact. While recent suggestions that carbon fibre was going to be banned in cars in Europe later this decade have subsequently been dismissed, concerns remain about its manufacturing impact and end-of-life recycling. On the one hand is the argument that cars featuring a lot of carbon content will never reach that stage; a carbon-tubbed supercar will be restored and kept on the road, not junked. But something like an i3 will, sadly, end up on the scrapheap eventually. If they haven’t already. (Make your own jokes now about iXs and junk.)

Presumably with that in mind - and with a motorsport link to boast about as well - BMW has confirmed that ‘natural fibre composites’ are now ready for series production on its road cars. It has been working with Swiss company Bcomp (which BMW i Ventures actually has a stake in) to create lightweight parts with a reduced carbon footprint. The prototype parts seen here, a roof and rear diffuser, offer up ‘a CO2e-reduction of around 40 per cent in production plus additional end-of-life considerations’, reckons BMW. 

The company has been experimenting with natural fibre composites in motorsport since 2019, when they were used in a Formula E car. Subsequently, the DTM and GT4-spec M4 have also employed the carbon alternative; one of the latter will be at the Nürburgring 24-Hour this weekend. While natural fibre composites may not be the first thing that comes to mind when considering motorsport technology making its way to the road, if it’s strong enough for the rough and tumble of competition, then it can probably survive the worst a production M3 will see. 

BMW M CEO Franciscus van Meel said: “Natural fiber composites are a vital element of innovative lightweight solutions in motorsport, allowing for a reduction in CO2e emissions in the manufacturing process. Natural fiber is an innovation that perfectly exemplifies BMW M’s claim ‘Born on the racetrack. Made for the streets.’” 

Catchy. While a fixed date has not been set for natural fibre parts on showroom models, given they meet homologation requirements, it’s hard to imagine them being far away. Expect to see the technology bundled into an M Ultimate pack before you know it. 


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Wardy78

Original Poster:

1,012 posts

72 months

Tuesday 17th June
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The geek in me loves this kind of innovation.

eein

1,465 posts

279 months

Tuesday 17th June
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"Born on the race track, made for the compost bin"

Of course it makes a lot of sense, hopefully it can be scaled up and adopted quickly, assuming material performance and longevity is suitable.

Jte3397

33 posts

110 months

Tuesday 17th June
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I guess BMW forgot that the i3 dashboard and door panels utilise kenaf fibre. It's good news as flax is kinder than carbon but what resins are they using? You can get sugar based

supacool1

683 posts

193 months

Tuesday 17th June
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It looks pretty cool. Bravo to BMW for being ahead of the curve...

RustyMX5

8,612 posts

231 months

Tuesday 17th June
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A car made of Linen? I would have thought that Bamboo would have been more readily available and stronger.

996GT3_Matt

240 posts

218 months

Tuesday 17th June
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The ethos of sticking this lightweight garnish on the bumper of a 1700kg sports car is somewhat lost on me. A colour coded PU bumper would look better and likely be lighter anyway.

TenTornadoes

10 posts

137 months

Tuesday 17th June
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Tweed for cars

GTRene

18,914 posts

238 months

Tuesday 17th June
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RustyMX5 said:
A car made of Linen? I would have thought that Bamboo would have been more readily available and stronger.
and Hennep material I believe can also be used for many things.

Sway

31,664 posts

208 months

Tuesday 17th June
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Jte3397 said:
I guess BMW forgot that the i3 dashboard and door panels utilise kenaf fibre. It's good news as flax is kinder than carbon but what resins are they using? You can get sugar based
Indeed.

It's not necessarily/wholly the fibre that's the issue, but the 'system' including the resins.

Besides, I thought they'd worked around the problem somewhat by convincing people that 'forged carbon' is somehow premium instead of dogst with none of the redeeming qualities of proper composite materials/design?

I didn't think there were any 'natural' or recyclable resins available that had any sort of UV resistance?

designndrive62

782 posts

171 months

Tuesday 17th June
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This stuff was around over 15 years ago when I was doing university research projects.

In principal yes it is recyclable but in reality it never will be. The fiber panels themselves may involve less CO2 but you also have to consider the resins used, how the original crop is harvested, where its grown etc.

Recyclability is a nightmare and basically like everything sold int he supermarket as recyclable - yes, but only if processed at a certain place in a certain way. in reality these are still ending up in landfill.

It's great for marketing though...

fantheman80

1,960 posts

63 months

Tuesday 17th June
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'more environmentally friendly' while surrounding a fat set of dirty exhaust pipes is wonderful stuff

MattsCar

1,714 posts

119 months

Tuesday 17th June
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I can already hear the factories in China gearing up to produce replica wing mirror covers/ cannards for the 118d/320d market.

egomeister

7,172 posts

277 months

Tuesday 17th June
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Marketing ste.

If you are going to the effort of making composite panels, at least make them good ones.

georgeyboy12345

3,900 posts

49 months

Tuesday 17th June
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996GT3_Matt said:
The ethos of sticking this lightweight garnish on the bumper of a 1700kg sports car is somewhat lost on me. A colour coded PU bumper would look better and likely be lighter anyway.
Exactly my thoughts

Frimley111R

17,007 posts

248 months

Tuesday 17th June
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georgeyboy12345 said:
996GT3_Matt said:
The ethos of sticking this lightweight garnish on the bumper of a 1700kg sports car is somewhat lost on me. A colour coded PU bumper would look better and likely be lighter anyway.
Exactly my thoughts
Yes but it's mostly for motorsport applications according to the article.

Slippydiff

15,446 posts

237 months

Tuesday 17th June
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designndrive62 said:
This stuff was around over 15 years ago when I was doing university research projects.

In principal yes it is recyclable but in reality it never will be. The fiber panels themselves may involve less CO2 but you also have to consider the resins used, how the original crop is harvested, where its grown etc.

Recyclability is a nightmare and basically like everything sold int he supermarket as recyclable - yes, but only if processed at a certain place in a certain way. in reality these are still ending up in landfill.

It's great for marketing though...
Correct, and Tuthill have been using them for parts (seats and steering wheel amongst others) on the 911K for the last two years :

https://parts.tuthill.uk/products/flax-steering-wh...

https://parts.tuthill.uk/products/tuthill-porsche-...

And as for BMW virtue signalling about saving the planet, perhaps they could devise a way of manufacturing eco-friendly wind turbine blades, rather than embellishing their pig-ugly, overweight cars with flax fibre diffusers ...







skylarking808

928 posts

100 months

Tuesday 17th June
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Erm just build smaller longer lasting cars in the first place with less unnecessary tech if you want to do some good.

All those screens and plastics are not going to be recycled in a few years when they become uneconomical to repair.

A lot of carbon is just tat on heavy cars to show how much money one has.

cerb4.5lee

36,921 posts

194 months

Tuesday 17th June
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Why does everything always have to be about the environment nowadays! banghead

I think that I'm just too old for this ste nowadays I reckon really.

cerb4.5lee

36,921 posts

194 months

Tuesday 17th June
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996GT3_Matt said:
The ethos of sticking this lightweight garnish on the bumper of a 1700kg sports car is somewhat lost on me. A colour coded PU bumper would look better and likely be lighter anyway.
I've always thought similar too. My old V8 M3 was 1650kg with a carbon roof as well. Plus my F82 M4 is also 1600kg with a carbon roof, and it won't make one bit of difference to the car, but it does look nice though to be fair for me.

normalbloke

8,067 posts

233 months

Tuesday 17th June
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I can see the wildlife having a munch on this, much like the soya insulation used on some wiring looms that were always getting munched…