RE: The froggy problem with the A110 | PH Footnote

RE: The froggy problem with the A110 | PH Footnote

Wednesday 18th June

The froggy problem with the A110 | PH Footnote

Alpine reckons it knows what it needs to do with the new A110. We still can't find much wrong with the old one...


Alpine has been easing us into the idea that the next A110 will be electric. The French marque made its battery-powered intentions clear back in 2021 when it announced that it would become Renault’s new performance division, effectively merging with Renault Sport at the firm’s Dieppe facility, and that work was already underway on an EV successor to the A110. Since then, we’ve seen the E-ternité (essentially a battery-powered version of the current A110), the A290 electric hot hatch and the recently unveiled A390 crossover. The new A110 is not far behind. 

So the current model as we know it isn’t long for this world, and Alpine’s gradual transition from petrol to battery power hasn’t made its impending retirement any easier. Especially for yours truly, having somehow managed to dodge driving the sports car reboot for its near-decade-long lifecycle. I say 'dodge' - it’s not like I’ve been avoiding it. The A110 is a confirmed great, with Matt P hailing it as “sensational” in his PistonHeads review, and possibly even more fun than the 718 Cayman. Which is obviously saying something. So with time a-wasting and a ticket to last weekend’s 24 Hours of Le Mans, now seemed like the perfect time to finally get behind the wheel and see what I’ve been missing out on for the last eight years.

Admittedly, the trip down to the Circuit de la Sarthe isn’t especially well suited to the A110’s established talents. Once you get off the train at Calais, it’s pretty much a straight, 260-odd-mile trek on delightfully smooth roads with not so much as a drain cover in sight. However, skirt the Rouen low-emission zone and you’ll find some nice twisty back roads with only the occasional, refreshingly well-signposted speed camera to contend with. The car in question is a bog-standard A110, albeit with snazzier Abyss Blue paint, those intricate ‘grand prix’ 18-inch alloys and an active sports exhaust. Yes, there are racier points of entry into A110 ownership, including the GTS and carbon-wheeled R, but the base model has long been regarded as the sweetest of the lot (and will likely be the most comfortable over a seven-hour drive) so that’s what we chose. 

Truthfully, it only takes a few minutes to realise why the A110 is as lauded as it is. It’s just so wonderfully agile, and feels every bit as light as the 1,102kg kerbweight suggests. The steering, while on the light side, provides enough feedback to have a good understanding of what the front end is doing, and a quick flick of the wheel results in the nose instantly pointing where you want it to without feeling overly darty. Enter a corner with a bit more commitment and you’ll feel the A110 rotating right beneath you, with body lean kept in check all the while. Surprisingly, the A110 makes do sans limited-slip diff to further sharpen up the front end. 

What takes a bit more time to get used to is the 1.8-litre turbo four behind you. You'll remember that it's the same engine that powered the final Renault Megane R.S., paired with a seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox. Yes, it’s disappointing that Alpine never got around to fitting a manual (it would simply cost too much to develop, apparently), but the flappy-paddle ‘box does feel nice and snappy when you pick up the pace. The only downside to it is the positioning of the paddles themselves, both that they’re fixed to the steering column and don’t extend towards the lower half of the wheel, which I found makes shifting while turning a bit fiddly at low speeds. As for the engine, it’s a little pedestrian when pottering around and doesn’t have the attitude of the 718’s four-pot boxer - although revving it out delivers a sound not far off that of a touring car. And while the base car’s 252hp may not sound like much, it’s quick enough to feel like you’re properly on it between B-road corners. 

Question is, does it tick the GT box? For the most part, emphatically yes. The Sabelt bucket seats are a comfy place to spend a four-hour stint from Calais to Le Mans, and it’ll comfortably return an mpg in the mid-40s while doing so. That said, it did occasionally seem a bit flighty while cruising, the wheel tugging left and right when conditions turned blustery. Passing lorries would also upset the front end more than you might expect, meaning you’d need to grip the wheel a little tighter and ‘brace for turbulence’ when passing the cab. 

Anyway, my first port of call before the 4pm kick-off on Saturday would be our Friday Service at the Classic British Welcome, where the A110 proved a huge hit with the local crowd. Surprisingly so, in fact, when you consider it flies under the radar somewhat back home, without a bazillion winglets and a gopping mouth. But the car’s retro silhouette and sleek lines prove a hit with French car lovers - meaning it's a bit of a shame, then, to later hear Alpine's design boss say they’ll be looking to up the aggression for the A110’s successor. Speaking ahead of the race, Antony Villain noted: “Some people don’t buy it because it’s cute, and that’s a problem. So, especially in the UK and Germany, we are missing a bit of assertiveness, aggressivity, and sometimes the froggy aspect of the A110 [is putting customers off].”

So you can expect a “sharper” and less-froggy A110 successor when it arrives next year. Villain and Sovany Ang, head of Alpine Performance, were tight-lipped on further details, which is no great surprise given CEO Philippe Krief let slip that the Alpenglow concept would make production as a V6 hybrid supercar. Villain did, however, reveal that domestic government policy, not customer demand, was the driver behind the A110’s electric switch. “ICE engine for sports cars in France, for instance, is €60,000 malus (France’s car tax for performance combustion vehicles). Basically, Porsche today don’t sell any cars in France anymore. I think we have 98 per cent of the market, and in Europe it’s 45 per cent of the market.”

Needless to say, it’s keen to hang on to that share, so it has to make the electric A110 work. Lightness is very much front of mind, says Ang, as it has been since the E-ternité concept. Regardless, it’ll be a great shame when the overrun crackles fall silent and the weight inevitably creeps upwards (whether Alpine will hit its 1,400kg target is yet to be seen), but a bespoke aluminium chassis is certainly a good place for its successor to start from. For now, you can still pick up an A110 brand new, or you could save yourself a few quid by picking this 481-mile Premiere Edition for £41,995. Not that you need much convincing, because we’ve been hearing for years about how brilliant Alpine's sports car is - but take this as another glowing testimonial. It really is sensational. 


SPECIFICATION | ALPINE A110

Engine: 1,798cc four-cylinder, turbocharged
Transmission: seven-speed dual-clutch auto, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 252@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 236@2,000rpm-4,800rpm
0-62mph: 4.5 seconds
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,102kg
MPG: 40.4-42.2 WLTP
CO2: 152-158g/km
Price: £55,160


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yme402

Original Poster:

521 posts

116 months

Wednesday 18th June
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A far better car than equivalent Porsche or Lotus.

cerb4.5lee

36,929 posts

194 months

Wednesday 18th June
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I've always admired the 1100kg weight with these. So refreshing I think in this day and age.

S600BSB

6,560 posts

120 months

Wednesday 18th June
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They really are fabulous cars.

georgeyboy12345

3,900 posts

49 months

Wednesday 18th June
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Great cars. A perfect example of a car being more than the sum of its parts

TheMilkyBarKid

733 posts

43 months

Wednesday 18th June
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Ours is 6 years old now (it was nice to get this years much cheaper annual tax reminder for once last month) and I absolutely love it.

Despite what some on here choose to believe it's never set itself on fire. In total apart from routine servicing and tyres the only things it's needed have been the fuel pump (which was done before we even asked by Solihull Alpine) and the drivers seat heater failed, again fixed under warranty with no mither.

I've done everything from long road trips up to Scotland, track days, and the daily commute in it and whilst there are individual options that would be better at each one of those I can't really think of anything that would cover all bases as well as it does that wouldn't cost a great deal more.

Yes it could do with a more charismatic engine, though that would probably add weight and not return 40+ mpg when cruising, and, er the wiper blades are bloody expensive, but apart from that there's very little I don't like, and driving it is something I always look forward to.


Frimley111R

17,007 posts

248 months

Wednesday 18th June
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yme402 said:
A far better car than equivalent Porsche or Lotus.
Lol, top trolling straight away.

smilo996

3,336 posts

184 months

Wednesday 18th June
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"the A110 proved a huge hit with the local crowd without a bazillion winglets and a gopping mouth". People with more taste and less look at meee then.
Superb in every way and certainly one of the best examples of the French going their own way.

Pickle_Rick

495 posts

74 months

Wednesday 18th June
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Fantastic car, one of the few attainable ICE cars I'd love to have on my drive, imo the spiratual successor to the elise. Not the SUVs that Chinese lotus are churning out but not selling as no one wants them.


GreatScott2016

1,849 posts

102 months

Wednesday 18th June
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There are cars that receive a lot of praise for their driving dynamics, and the A110 is one of them. However, it’s a car that I’d never buy based on looks alone. I just don’t like them, particularly the sloping rear end.

CarlosSainz100

616 posts

134 months

Wednesday 18th June
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Has anyone found a way of making Android Auto work on the earlier cars?
And I'm 6ft 4 with very long legs am I in for a world of pain in the seats? The idea of having to get my spanner out to change my seating position puts me off to be honest.

Terminator X

17,627 posts

218 months

Wednesday 18th June
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Sports car and EV should never share the same sentence. I'm concerned at where Alpine seem to be going with all their cars.

TX.

Edited by Terminator X on Wednesday 18th June 09:01

Terminator X

17,627 posts

218 months

Wednesday 18th June
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Frimley111R said:
yme402 said:
A far better car than equivalent Porsche or Lotus.
Lol, top trolling straight away.
Safe to say it's not as hardcore as a Lotus or as plush as a Porsche. Sits nicely between the two imho.

TX.

Frimley111R

17,007 posts

248 months

Wednesday 18th June
quotequote all
Terminator X said:
Frimley111R said:
yme402 said:
A far better car than equivalent Porsche or Lotus.
Lol, top trolling straight away.
Safe to say it's not as hardcore as a Lotus or as plush as a Porsche. Sits nicely between the two imho.

TX.
Yep, not better, just a good compromise.

Frimley111R

17,007 posts

248 months

Wednesday 18th June
quotequote all
Pickle_Rick said:
Fantastic car, one of the few attainable ICE cars I'd love to have on my drive, imo the spiritual successor to the Elise. Not the SUVs that Chinese lotus are churning out but not selling as no one wants them.
Because Lotus replaced the Elise/Exige with a large SUV?

RandomCarChat

982 posts

61 months

Wednesday 18th June
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CarlosSainz100 said:
Has anyone found a way of making Android Auto work on the earlier cars?
And I'm 6ft 4 with very long legs am I in for a world of pain in the seats? The idea of having to get my spanner out to change my seating position puts me off to be honest.
I'm the same height with a 36 inch leg and I had no issues fitting in one. I found it to be a very comfortable driving position.


mcmigo

175 posts

167 months

Wednesday 18th June
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CarlosSainz100 said:
Has anyone found a way of making Android Auto work on the earlier cars?
And I'm 6ft 4 with very long legs am I in for a world of pain in the seats? The idea of having to get my spanner out to change my seating position puts me off to be honest.
I am same height with long legs , wife is a foot shorter.

We had the legende spec a110 for 3 and a half years which has ‘ comfort ‘ seats which move up and down as normal seats do - no spanner needed.

I had no problems fitting into the car at all


Krikkit

27,398 posts

195 months

Wednesday 18th June
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Frimley111R said:
Terminator X said:
Frimley111R said:
yme402 said:
A far better car than equivalent Porsche or Lotus.
Lol, top trolling straight away.
Safe to say it's not as hardcore as a Lotus or as plush as a Porsche. Sits nicely between the two imho.

TX.
Yep, not better, just a good compromise.
All cars are a compromise, the best compromise makes the best car.

donkmeister

10,227 posts

114 months

Wednesday 18th June
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Has anyone driven both the A110 and the VX220 Turbo? How do they compare?

In my mind they occupy the same space in the market (Tesco Value brand high performance small sports car with a Colin Chapman ethos - not unsurprisingly for the VX220) and have similar power and weight. To me the A110 is the spiritual successor to the VX220, rather than to the Renault Sport Spider.

LM240

5,108 posts

232 months

Wednesday 18th June
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Needed a manual box before it would become a potential purchase.

NDNDNDND

2,400 posts

197 months

Wednesday 18th June
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Krikkit said:
All cars are a compromise, the best compromise makes the best car.
Yes, but each person's best compromise is personal.

For me, the autobox was a compromise too far.