Collision avoidance system my Arse
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Ok i am in my 50's and generally consider after some 35+ years of driving that I can steer a car on my own. I can not for the life of me understand why anyone thought than letting the car intervene and "have a go" when it felt it should was ever a good idea.
My daily is a dull Volvo XC60 and I commute on a mix of A and B rural roads. Yesterday on a dead straight well sighted smooth (rare i know) road with a white dividing lane i moved over to the left to allow on coming traffic to move round a drain cover/hole their side. They were not over the white line or erratic in their driving and i had gently moved over slightly more so as to be near the edge . So imagine my and all the other drivers surprise when the Volvo decided to emergency stop and swerve into the oncoming vehicles path and cross the white line.
The bloke coming at me was rightly angry for what he would have seen as a lunatic driving at him for no reason.
the car behind was also rightly angry as we had just break checked him for no reason
I was livid for nearly having a head on and outwardly appearing to be a ruddy nuisance on the road
To add insult to injury the car then had the audacity to display a "warning, accident avoidance triggered".
Yes i had been through all the sub menus and turned Lane assist off beforehand, yet despite saying it was off it still intervened
I know they say by law they need to fit these systems, but i feel that Brussels had in mind that they would work when mandating that. Instead we have an excuse to fit something that for all clear intents and purpose does the opposite. I would argue these systems when shown to be dangerous should be removed as they do not deliver what was mandated.
PH i call upon you to start a campaign to get these sodding systems removed. We are making progress with screens and haptic controls being replaced with buttons, these are next.
My daily is a dull Volvo XC60 and I commute on a mix of A and B rural roads. Yesterday on a dead straight well sighted smooth (rare i know) road with a white dividing lane i moved over to the left to allow on coming traffic to move round a drain cover/hole their side. They were not over the white line or erratic in their driving and i had gently moved over slightly more so as to be near the edge . So imagine my and all the other drivers surprise when the Volvo decided to emergency stop and swerve into the oncoming vehicles path and cross the white line.
The bloke coming at me was rightly angry for what he would have seen as a lunatic driving at him for no reason.
the car behind was also rightly angry as we had just break checked him for no reason
I was livid for nearly having a head on and outwardly appearing to be a ruddy nuisance on the road
To add insult to injury the car then had the audacity to display a "warning, accident avoidance triggered".
Yes i had been through all the sub menus and turned Lane assist off beforehand, yet despite saying it was off it still intervened
I know they say by law they need to fit these systems, but i feel that Brussels had in mind that they would work when mandating that. Instead we have an excuse to fit something that for all clear intents and purpose does the opposite. I would argue these systems when shown to be dangerous should be removed as they do not deliver what was mandated.
PH i call upon you to start a campaign to get these sodding systems removed. We are making progress with screens and haptic controls being replaced with buttons, these are next.
Isn't collision avoidance a different system to the lane assist? Sounds like you've turned the latter off, but not the former. Got to switch both off before departing I reckon. Which is a ball ache of course, not disputing that.
Horrible situation it seems to have caused, glad you are unscathed.
Horrible situation it seems to have caused, glad you are unscathed.
I had similar in a Skoda Octavia. I moved left to make room for an oncoming car overtaking a cyclist. The car tried to steer me back to the middle which would have resulted in a collision.
It also performed an emergency stop when a motorbike turned into the road ahead of me and accelerated away. At no point was a collision possible yet the car behind me had a shock.
It also performed an emergency stop when a motorbike turned into the road ahead of me and accelerated away. At no point was a collision possible yet the car behind me had a shock.
We have a couple of XC90's on our fleet at work which are pretty much new and people, myself included are also having issues with the collision avoidance system on these cars being very over sensitive to the point of feeling almost dangerous.
I'm not aware of any means of disabling it but it's problematic to say the least
I'm not aware of any means of disabling it but it's problematic to say the least
I had a similar system on an X3M it was awful as well, slammed on the brakes a few times because it doesn't have the ability to understand what's actually happening.
These mandated systems are the result of having thousands of people employed to think up and write new laws eventually you get legislation for its own sake as all the good laws have been written but you've still offices full of people that need to write new ones...
I'd be interested to know the liability implications for stuff like this.
I presume manufacturers will hide behind blaming any other vehicle involved, saying they should have reacted in time, even when there would never have been an accident but for this.
I'll stick with my old stuff and my old mind.
I presume manufacturers will hide behind blaming any other vehicle involved, saying they should have reacted in time, even when there would never have been an accident but for this.
I'll stick with my old stuff and my old mind.
bergclimber34 said:
Is there a way you can turn this stuff off?
I had this problem with lane assist in a lease car, thought I had a slow puncture or a huge alignment issue, utterly ridiculous system
You can but it resets every time you cycle the ignition. Usually each feature is a separate setting and I believe EU mandates at least two button presses are required - which some manufacturers are better at implementing sensibly than others.I had this problem with lane assist in a lease car, thought I had a slow puncture or a huge alignment issue, utterly ridiculous system
Lane Assist: I regularly drive work pool cars (Kia Ceed Estates) to get from one site to another. One site is accessed via a fairly straight but narrow country lane with good lane markings on the verge and centreline. Because no-one disables lane assist the car is constantly steering left and right whilst it triggers it's own problems.
Collision Avoidance Assist: Another was my Mums Honda Jazz. Driving in a 40 zone at 40 and a huge gust of wind blew a pile of leaves in the cars path, resulting in a full on emergency stop. The guy behind me probably shat his pants but managed to steer around the side of me.
These systems probably work well in the test environment, but fail miserably in the real world - Honda High Beam Assist, I'm looking at you. If you are the engineer who created High Beam Assist, please fall on your sword.
Collision Avoidance Assist: Another was my Mums Honda Jazz. Driving in a 40 zone at 40 and a huge gust of wind blew a pile of leaves in the cars path, resulting in a full on emergency stop. The guy behind me probably shat his pants but managed to steer around the side of me.
These systems probably work well in the test environment, but fail miserably in the real world - Honda High Beam Assist, I'm looking at you. If you are the engineer who created High Beam Assist, please fall on your sword.
Wills2 said:
I had a similar system on an X3M it was awful as well, slammed on the brakes a few times because it doesn't have the ability to understand what's actually happening.
These mandated systems are the result of having thousands of people employed to think up and write new laws eventually you get legislation for its own sake as all the good laws have been written but you've still offices full of people that need to write new ones...
I had to spend time in my Dad's iX3 recently (utterly dreadful car) with all these stupid things on. Absolutely hated driving it.These mandated systems are the result of having thousands of people employed to think up and write new laws eventually you get legislation for its own sake as all the good laws have been written but you've still offices full of people that need to write new ones...
I had asked something similar in the Land Rover group on PH.
At 60 mph, on a B road, I had crossed the white line on a slight bend with good visibility to avoid a massive pot hole.
The car snatched the steering wheel off me, and steered directly back into the pot hole. Lucky there was no damage.
I always turn off lane assist now, but am looking at solutions which can default the mode when starting the car to the custom mode. (Just in case I forget).
This really isn't a good safety feature.
I have also had my wife's Tesla slam the brakes on for absolutely no reason at all. It clearly spotted something that was not there. She had a right go at me as she thought I was trying to make her spill her drink
At 60 mph, on a B road, I had crossed the white line on a slight bend with good visibility to avoid a massive pot hole.
The car snatched the steering wheel off me, and steered directly back into the pot hole. Lucky there was no damage.
I always turn off lane assist now, but am looking at solutions which can default the mode when starting the car to the custom mode. (Just in case I forget).
This really isn't a good safety feature.
I have also had my wife's Tesla slam the brakes on for absolutely no reason at all. It clearly spotted something that was not there. She had a right go at me as she thought I was trying to make her spill her drink
Every day a journey said:
Wills2 said:
I had a similar system on an X3M it was awful as well, slammed on the brakes a few times because it doesn't have the ability to understand what's actually happening.
These mandated systems are the result of having thousands of people employed to think up and write new laws eventually you get legislation for its own sake as all the good laws have been written but you've still offices full of people that need to write new ones...
I had to spend time in my Dad's iX3 recently (utterly dreadful car) with all these stupid things on. Absolutely hated driving it.These mandated systems are the result of having thousands of people employed to think up and write new laws eventually you get legislation for its own sake as all the good laws have been written but you've still offices full of people that need to write new ones...
Hi All,
For those of you that are not aware, the current UK government has recently categorically stated that it intends to adopt all EU car regulations. This means that these systems will soon be fitted to all new cars. In addition it is intended that a breathalyser 'black box' will be added to the regulations. You will not be able to start the car until the breathalyser has given the 'all clear'.
The EU also intends to mandate that none of these systems can be disabled.
It is very clear that Lane Assist and Collision Avoidance can in some instances create a dangerous situation. It is no good any of us having a rant on a forum. If you experience this problem on a new car you should return the vehicle to the supplier with a covering letter from a solicitor. In addition write to your MP and bring the matter to the attention of the media.
For those of you that are not aware, the current UK government has recently categorically stated that it intends to adopt all EU car regulations. This means that these systems will soon be fitted to all new cars. In addition it is intended that a breathalyser 'black box' will be added to the regulations. You will not be able to start the car until the breathalyser has given the 'all clear'.
The EU also intends to mandate that none of these systems can be disabled.
It is very clear that Lane Assist and Collision Avoidance can in some instances create a dangerous situation. It is no good any of us having a rant on a forum. If you experience this problem on a new car you should return the vehicle to the supplier with a covering letter from a solicitor. In addition write to your MP and bring the matter to the attention of the media.
Steve Dean said:
If you experience this problem on a new car you should return the vehicle to the supplier with a covering letter from a solicitor. In addition write to your MP and bring the matter to the attention of the media.
Yea right. Gonna give my new £75k car back cos of lane assist, that I can turn off! 
Edited by GetCarter on Wednesday 13th August 16:31
It's interesting how different the safety systems are. In mine (Ioniq 5N, so presumably exactly the same for a lot of Kia's too) I've only ever had it beep at me but not intervene. Even recently when some absolute plum decided to overtake a bike on a blind corner over double white lines straight into the path of the van in front of me; we both braked relatively hard to avoid the donut, but the message I saw was only a warning and not an intervention. Maybe as we weren't going very quick, so speed/braking distance wasn't really a problem? Fingers crossed it will intervene if its ever needed though!
The only time mine has ever truly kicked in is reversing into my parking space at home; there's a weed growing out behind the kerb and the car really doesn't like me reversing into it
and occasionally will bung the brakes on.
Whereas, similar to some reports above, we have Leaf's as work vehicles and they appear to be upset by everything. Leaves (ironically), dust, a car pulling out of a space a sensible distance away or even just a vehicle slowing down a bit in front of them. It seems to have calmed down a bit, so I don't know if some systems have any kind of 'learning' capabilities?
I turn lane assist off every time I drive though, as that is a bit sensitive on narrower roads and likes to try and play hunt the verge sometimes. No thank you.
The only time mine has ever truly kicked in is reversing into my parking space at home; there's a weed growing out behind the kerb and the car really doesn't like me reversing into it
and occasionally will bung the brakes on.Whereas, similar to some reports above, we have Leaf's as work vehicles and they appear to be upset by everything. Leaves (ironically), dust, a car pulling out of a space a sensible distance away or even just a vehicle slowing down a bit in front of them. It seems to have calmed down a bit, so I don't know if some systems have any kind of 'learning' capabilities?
I turn lane assist off every time I drive though, as that is a bit sensitive on narrower roads and likes to try and play hunt the verge sometimes. No thank you.
Steve Dean said:
Hi All,
For those of you that are not aware, the current UK government has recently categorically stated that it intends to adopt all EU car regulations. This means that these systems will soon be fitted to all new cars. In addition it is intended that a breathalyser 'black box' will be added to the regulations. You will not be able to start the car until the breathalyser has given the 'all clear'.
The EU also intends to mandate that none of these systems can be disabled.
It is very clear that Lane Assist and Collision Avoidance can in some instances create a dangerous situation. It is no good any of us having a rant on a forum. If you experience this problem on a new car you should return the vehicle to the supplier with a covering letter from a solicitor. In addition write to your MP and bring the matter to the attention of the media.
Excellent news for used car values then - I don't ever plan on buying a new car precisely to avoid these systems. Like other here, I've had a few near misses in newer cars BECAUSE of these systems where they actively made a situation (that was under control) worse. At least for now they can be turned off.For those of you that are not aware, the current UK government has recently categorically stated that it intends to adopt all EU car regulations. This means that these systems will soon be fitted to all new cars. In addition it is intended that a breathalyser 'black box' will be added to the regulations. You will not be able to start the car until the breathalyser has given the 'all clear'.
The EU also intends to mandate that none of these systems can be disabled.
It is very clear that Lane Assist and Collision Avoidance can in some instances create a dangerous situation. It is no good any of us having a rant on a forum. If you experience this problem on a new car you should return the vehicle to the supplier with a covering letter from a solicitor. In addition write to your MP and bring the matter to the attention of the media.
However I've no doubt that thanks to the Big Brother logging that all cars now do, if you have an accident with any 'safety' (fnarr) system turned off, you'll proably be held liable and/or your insurer won't pay out etc etc. Once the ability to disable the systems is rolled out it'll make driving these cars even worse.
At least with a car that doesn't have them there's nothing to enforce. I think my current car hits the sweet spot - new enough to have tech you want that's useful but none of the excessively nannying systems you don't.
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