RE: Porsche announces drastic EV volte-face
RE: Porsche announces drastic EV volte-face
Sunday 21st September

Porsche announces drastic EV volte-face

New 'K1' SUV to launch as combustion only; existing ICE cars to continue 'well into 2030s'...


Just in case any further proof were required of the tumult currently engulfing the automotive industry, Porsche has confirmed the ‘final steps in the realignment of its product strategy’. Which all sounds innocuous enough, as corporate speak tends to, but it means a drastic rowing back on its rollout of electric vehicles. 

Perhaps the most emphatic proof comes from the change in approach to a flagship SUV above the Cayenne. A car that was going to be electric only is now going to be combustion- and PHEV-powered from launch, part of a move for the ‘product range is to be specifically supplemented by brand-defining vehicle models with combustion engines.’ 

There is no mention of when, or indeed if, an electric version will happen. The lukewarm response to other XXL SUVs without engines has obviously influenced the decision. As for the regular Cayenne, a car that claimed a Shelsley Walsh record recently and will feature wireless charging, looks to be on track with every possible powertrain option. Porsche added that the SUV and the Panamera ‘will be available with combustion engines and plug-in hybrids well into the 2030s’. 

Indeed lots of Porsche launches are being rescheduled, most notably the fully electric offerings. A new EV platform was coming in the 2030s, but will now go back to the drawing board (alongside other brands in the VW Group) owing to the ‘slower growth of the demand for exclusive battery-electric vehicles’. Porsche is at pains to point out that it’s not abandoning battery power - the 718 is still on the way, and the current lineup will be ‘continuously updated’ - though it’s clearly a significant change of course, one that will see the firm take a 1.8 billion Euro hit. 

Though it did not dwell on the subject in a short press release, it has been suggested that ‘top’ derivatives of the previously all-electric 718 may feature internal combustion engines. Clearly a nod to battery power’s failure to excite big-spending enthusiasts, it will likely mean than that future RS models continue to incorporate a flat-six. 

A pause on EV development means engines will hang around for longer elsewhere, too. So as well as the Panamera and Cayenne already mentioned, that has to mean the 911 as well (if that was ever in doubt). ‘New generations of successor models have been added to the Cycle Plan for these vehicle models’, all but confirming that petrol-powered Porsches will remain a long-term feature not just of existing cars, but incoming ones, too. 

“These decisions build on the previously announced initiatives and help us to achieve a very balanced portfolio,” said CEO Oliver Blume. “This increases our flexibility and strengthens our position in a currently highly volatile environment. With a convincing mix of combustion engines, plug-in hybrids and battery-electric vehicles, we want to meet the entire range of customer requirements. In the medium term, this approach is intended to support our business model and strengthen our market position.”

The new direction of travel will come at significant cost elsewhere, VW having already warned that a delay to Porsche’s EV plans might ultimately put a 5.1 billion euro dent in its profits. Additionally, on a call with reporters on Friday, Blume even suggested that he was “counting on flexibility” from the EU on its ban on selling combustion engine cars from 2035 - a sign of just how adamant Porsche has become that combustion remains an integral part of its long-term future. 


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ManyMotors

Original Poster:

933 posts

116 months

Saturday 20th September
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Nice going, Doktors! Your scheme to cheat emissions was costly and your commitment to EVs is apparently not easily reversable. You are helping Germany possibly slip to fourth place in World economies behind China, the US and California - which isn't a country yet.

Iamnotkloot

1,747 posts

165 months

Saturday 20th September
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Whoops!

Murph7355

40,547 posts

274 months

Saturday 20th September
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You'd think they must know something more concrete about "flexibility" from rule makers before doing this...otherwise they could be in very serious trouble,

andy43

11,906 posts

272 months

Saturday 20th September
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Let’s see how long it takes before the 718 gets an engine again.

DMZ

1,865 posts

178 months

Saturday 20th September
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Not a shocking development exactly. Makes sense to make cars people want to buy.

Good to see that they will keep the sharp end of the Cayman range alive.

honda_exige

7,505 posts

224 months

Saturday 20th September
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andy43 said:
Let s see how long it takes before the 718 gets an engine again.
The confirmed that it's happening yesterday for the GT4/GT4RS

andy43

11,906 posts

272 months

Saturday 20th September
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honda_exige said:
andy43 said:
Let s see how long it takes before the 718 gets an engine again.
The confirmed that it's happening yesterday for the GT4/GT4RS
I should have been more specific - engines for the versions you can go into a showroom and actually buy without having to take a brace of Taycans first.

Peterpetrole

1,052 posts

15 months

Saturday 20th September
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Way to tell customers that the 718 EV is outdated before it's even launched.

Cobnapint

9,193 posts

169 months

Saturday 20th September
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They clearly don't want to commit until they have to. The Taycan has given them a kicking (there are 758 for sale on AT atm) and new battery tech is edging closer. And you get the feeling our own government (which will probably be Reform before 2030) will move our own ICE ban back to 2035 to align with Europe.

Cobnapint

9,193 posts

169 months

Saturday 20th September
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EV volte-face.....very good.

honda_exige

7,505 posts

224 months

Saturday 20th September
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andy43 said:
honda_exige said:
andy43 said:
Let s see how long it takes before the 718 gets an engine again.
The confirmed that it's happening yesterday for the GT4/GT4RS
I should have been more specific - engines for the versions you can go into a showroom and actually buy without having to take a brace of Taycans first.
You've been able to do that for the 4RS and the Spyder RS for the past year, not now obviously since they've ended production but you could.

SydneyBridge

10,390 posts

176 months

Saturday 20th September
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At least they can do this, give customers what they want, too late for lots of manufacturers

Nelly Nel Nielson

15 posts

46 months

Saturday 20th September
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“VW having already warned that a delay to Porsche’s EV plans might ultimately put a 5.1 billion euro dent in its profits“

How does making the cars customers want to buy put a EUR5bn dent in your profit? Or is that from all of the fines they’ll have to pay for not achieving government mandated EV quotas comrade?

cerb4.5lee

38,716 posts

198 months

Saturday 20th September
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Cobnapint said:
They clearly don't want to commit until they have to. The Taycan has given them a kicking (there are 758 for sale on AT atm) and new battery tech is edging closer.
They must have been popular at one time though? Especially if they managed to actually sell 758 of them new in the first place?

I found the whole EV debacle both fascinating and frustrating in equal measure to be honest.

Sway

32,601 posts

212 months

Saturday 20th September
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Cobnapint said:
They clearly don't want to commit until they have to. The Taycan has given them a kicking (there are 758 for sale on AT atm) and new battery tech is edging closer. And you get the feeling our own government (which will probably be Reform before 2030) will move our own ICE ban back to 2035 to align with Europe.
It's sounding more and more likely that every major European manufacturer is going to be pushing really hard for the 2035 date to be pushed back at least five years.

It's going to be fractious, as there's plenty with no automotive industry who are very punchy in showing the world they're green.

kambites

69,977 posts

239 months

Saturday 20th September
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Sway said:
It's sounding more and more likely that every major European manufacturer is going to be pushing really hard for the 2035 date to be pushed back at least five years.
I can't help but feel that this would be a disaster for the European car industry in the long term. frown

Terminator X

18,312 posts

222 months

Saturday 20th September
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The EV swivel eyed loons told us there was no going back wink

TX.

andy43

11,906 posts

272 months

Saturday 20th September
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cerb4.5lee said:
Cobnapint said:
They clearly don't want to commit until they have to. The Taycan has given them a kicking (there are 758 for sale on AT atm) and new battery tech is edging closer.
They must have been popular at one time though? Especially if they managed to actually sell 758 of them new in the first place?

I found the whole EV debacle both fascinating and frustrating in equal measure to be honest.
They’re the perfect high end company car. Prestige, sod all BIK and they sound great to drive. I should try one really.
It’s the lack of second user appeal that was the problem initially, and now they’re at the point where business owners know they’ll get kicked in the nuts at resale if they buy them, so I assume most newer cars for sale now are ex lease. There’s been 700-800 listed on Autotrader for literally years.

plfrench

3,807 posts

286 months

Saturday 20th September
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Sway said:
It's sounding more and more likely that every major European manufacturer is going to be pushing really hard for the 2035 date to be pushed back at least five years.

It's going to be fractious, as there's plenty with no automotive industry who are very punchy in showing the world they're green.
What, even Renault, BMW, Mercedes, VW group more broadly? They've sunk too much cash into this now - the opportunity to roll back legislation has past. It would be simply unfair on those manufacturers who have been working towards the defined timelines to just change them now. The horse has bolted. Porsche and other high end offers it makes sense to keep going while they can and in the markets they can make money in. I highly doubt they'll bother offering this larger-than-Cayenne SUV in the UK for example.

The manufacturers signed up to the Euro 7 timelines and they were modified to give them a bit more time to comply only at the beginning of this year. I really can't see them shifting any further. 2035 is long enough to run out ICE in Europe, really can't see that changing now.

Sway

32,601 posts

212 months

Saturday 20th September
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kambites said:
Sway said:
It's sounding more and more likely that every major European manufacturer is going to be pushing really hard for the 2035 date to be pushed back at least five years.
I can't help but feel that this would be a disaster for the European car industry in the long term. frown
It's tricky. There's the technology side and the human side.

There's decent demand for EVs where they appeal to the market - but there's huge swathes of the (global) market who have very limited desire for them. Porsche especially sits in an awkward place, requiring high volume but in a section of the market where they're emotional purchases and those that can afford them (without BIK shenanigans) simply don't want EV.

We also 'know' that just like lithium chemistry transformed personal electronics, it's solid state that'll really drive a transformation in EV capabilities. They're just not quite there yet - and I don't see European firms holding back on R&D with them either regardless of a ban on ICE.