RE: Porsche reports profit nose-dive ahead of new CEO
RE: Porsche reports profit nose-dive ahead of new CEO
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Porsche reports profit nose-dive ahead of new CEO

McLaren's former boss is accustomed to financial straits - he will find the water at Porsche warm


Oliver Blume’s final quarterly report as Porsche CEO was never likely to be a rosy one. His decade-long stint has seen some remarkable highs, but his departure will be remembered for the slump that the firm now finds itself in. Fitting then that he left the bringing of bad news to CFO Dr Jochen Breckner, who was at least able to point to sales revenue of more than 26 billion euros in the first nine months of 2025. Unfortunately, the manufacturer’s operating profit slumped to just 40 million euros - a 99 per cent decrease on the 4.35 billon euros it made in the same period last year. 

Good news was hard to find. Its net cash flow is healthy enough (suggesting ongoing resilience, Porsche says) and it delivered a record amount of cars to the US (presumably due to buyers pre-empting tariffs earlier in the year). But its return on sales plunged from 14.1 per cent in 2024 to 0.2 per cent for the year to date, thanks to the ongoing perfect storm of the Chinese market slump, pressure on US prices since August and the ‘one-off’ effect of delaying or walking back its EV strategy. Earlier on Friday, analysts had suggested to Reuters that a third quarter operating loss of 611 million euros might be expected; in fact, it stood at 966 million

“This year's results reflect the impact of our strategic realignment. However, these measures are essential. We are consciously accepting temporarily weaker financial figures in order to strengthen Porsche's resilience and profitability in the long term,” noted Breckner. “We expect 2025 to be the trough that precedes a noticeable improvement for Porsche from 2026 onwards. Our goal is to sharpen our brand and make our products even more individual, exclusive and desirable.

Quite some challenge for Blume’s successor, former McLaren CEO Michael Leiters, who is due to officially take charge in January. He will be expected to oversee not only a restructuring programme that requires job losses, but also (re)navigate Porsche’s eventual path to electrification - which will require a deft touch in the face of lower than expected demand. While still at McLaren, Leiters was adamant that the case for battery power was unconvincing when it came to mid-engined supercars; at Porsche, a more nuanced approach will obviously be required. 

Certainly, the brand cannot afford to be left behind when it comes to EV technology in general. But its cancellation of the electric SUV intended to sit above the Cayenne is evidence enough of the pessimism that has taken root; ditto the decision to insert petrol engines (most notably in the 718 replacement) where previously no petrol engine was planned. Understandably, Porsche’s primary concern is stopping the rot in the short term - though the suggestion that things might begin to turn around from next year seems optimistic. 

The appointment of Leiters has been taken by some to mean a renewed focus on the most high-end cars, based on his extensive experience at McLaren and Ferrari. This would be greeted with enthusiasm by customers with a proven record for digging deep when Porsche gets it right - and if the EU waters down its plan to end the sale of combustion engines in 2035, as seems increasingly likely, it would fit the broader direction of travel. Ultimately though, convincing buyers to make the transition from high-revving flat-sixes to hushed volume batteries will be the defining challenge of the next ten years.


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Wab1974uk

Original Poster:

1,191 posts

45 months

Yesterday (18:09)
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Is this the EV affect?

Many legacy manufacturers will struggle to produce profitable EV's.

Unless there is a serious rethink regarding mandatory EV's, many manufactures will simple go bust. Then all we are left with is Tesla and Chinese cars. China will rule the car world.

Motormouth88

652 posts

78 months

Yesterday (18:11)
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I know in comparison to the previous year it’s a slump but a 40 million operating profit doesn’t strike me as bad news.

bigyoungdave

289 posts

45 months

Yesterday (18:15)
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Motormouth88 said:
I know in comparison to the previous year it s a slump but a 40 million operating profit doesn t strike me as bad news.
A profit is if course good news but that's the kind of profit that a good sized law or accountancy firm might make, and is not the kind of profit that a prestigious multinational company would hope to make

andy43

12,029 posts

272 months

Yesterday (19:08)
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Wab1974uk said:
Unless there is a serious rethink regarding mandatory EV's, many manufactures will simple go bust. Then all we are left with is Tesla and Chinese cars. China will rule the car world.
Yup. Politicians seem to have been hell bent on driving demand right towards Chinese brands instead of supporting what the European makers have traditionally been good at.

SDK

2,096 posts

271 months

Yesterday (19:14)
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andy43 said:
Yup. Politicians seem to have been hell bent on driving demand right towards Chinese brands instead of supporting what the European makers have traditionally been good at.
China has simply seized the opportunity to deliver cheaper cars in troubled times.

In every single car review here and across social media there are a massive number of comments complaining or amazed at how expensive new cars cost now.

Increased product costs and tighter personal budgets equals fewer volumes sold.

The higher tax on new cars is also not helping

AndrewT1275

825 posts

258 months

Yesterday (19:15)
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bigyoungdave said:
A profit is if course good news but that's the kind of profit that a good sized law or accountancy firm might make, and is not the kind of profit that a prestigious multinational company would hope to make
Quite. It's a 0.1% net profit. For the amount of capital likely employed it's a poor return.

Megaflow

10,593 posts

243 months

Yesterday (19:17)
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Wab1974uk said:
Is this the EV affect?

Many legacy manufacturers will struggle to produce profitable EV's.

Unless there is a serious rethink regarding mandatory EV's, many manufactures will simple go bust. Then all we are left with is Tesla and Chinese cars. China will rule the car world.
EFA.

eek

nismo48

5,691 posts

225 months

Yesterday (19:20)
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Megaflow said:
Wab1974uk said:
Is this the EV affect?

Many legacy manufacturers will struggle to produce profitable EV's.

Unless there is a serious rethink regarding mandatory EV's, many manufactures will simple go bust. Then all we are left with is Tesla and Chinese cars. China will rule the car world.
EFA.

eek
frown

911Spanker

2,828 posts

34 months

Yesterday (19:21)
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Scrap all the environmental crap and let manufacturers build proper cars again.


SDK

2,096 posts

271 months

Yesterday (19:25)
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911Spanker said:
Scrap all the environmental crap and let manufacturers build proper cars again.
How will that stop the Chinese takeover?

The German brands used to sell millions of cars in China, pretty much profiteering for decades. This is decreasing quickly.

China doesn’t want overpriced German cars now and changing the “environmental crap” in Europe isn’t changing China’s buying direction.


pb8g09

2,874 posts

87 months

Yesterday (19:37)
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SDK said:
How will that stop the Chinese takeover?

The German brands used to sell millions of cars in China, pretty much profiteering for decades. This is decreasing quickly.

China doesn t want overpriced German cars now and changing the environmental crap in Europe isn t changing China s buying direction.
I think you’re reading the report wrong. It’s not about sales, it’s about the terrible margin on the sales. How much amortisation and depreciation is tanking their p&l from having to spend so much on R&D on electric cars is the real question.

SDK

2,096 posts

271 months

Yesterday (19:41)
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pb8g09 said:
SDK said:
How will that stop the Chinese takeover?

The German brands used to sell millions of cars in China, pretty much profiteering for decades. This is decreasing quickly.

China doesn t want overpriced German cars now and changing the environmental crap in Europe isn t changing China s buying direction.
I think you re reading the report wrong. It s not about sales, it s about the terrible margin on the sales. How much amortisation and depreciation is tanking their p&l from having to spend so much on R&D on electric cars is the real question.
Quoted from the article

But its return on sales plungedfrom 14.1 per cent in 2024 to 0.2 per cent for the year to date, thanks to the ongoing perfect storm of the Chinese market slump

Also, quoted from here : https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/por...

The headline number is 212,059, the number of Porsches sold globally from January 1st this year until September 30th. If six per cent down on 2024 s equivalent (226,026), it still looks impressive for a company that only sells sports and luxury cars. Market share increased for five of the six model lines. The more interesting trends are in individual market and model fluctuations; the China situation remains tricky, for example, with 26 per cent fewer cars sold in the first three quarters of this year against 2024 (32,195 compared to 43,280).


That’s a 26% sales drop in China for Porsche


Edited by SDK on Friday 24th October 19:49

pb8g09

2,874 posts

87 months

Yesterday (19:44)
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You edited out the rest of the sentence from the article to try to make my point look silly when actually the bit you removed was my point.

M138

776 posts

9 months

Yesterday (19:48)
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Porsche did ‘extract the urine’ when things were going swimmingly for them, perhaps a bit of karma has come their way.

pb8g09

2,874 posts

87 months

Yesterday (19:58)
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SDK said:
Quoted from the article

But its return on sales plungedfrom 14.1 per cent in 2024 to 0.2 per cent for the year to date, thanks to the ongoing perfect storm of the Chinese market slump

Also, quoted from here : https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/por...

The headline number is 212,059, the number of Porsches sold globally from January 1st this year until September 30th. If six per cent down on 2024 s equivalent (226,026), it still looks impressive for a company that only sells sports and luxury cars. Market share increased for five of the six model lines. The more interesting trends are in individual market and model fluctuations; the China situation remains tricky, for example, with 26 per cent fewer cars sold in the first three quarters of this year against 2024 (32,195 compared to 43,280).


That s a 26% sales drop in China for Porsche


Edited by SDK on Friday 24th October 19:49
Sigh. Add some more text about top line and keep ignoring the headline about profits nose diving because it’s negative about your hard on for EVs…

Here, I will add it here seeing as you twice have deliberately left it out:
“the ‘one-off’ effect of delaying or walking back its EV strategy.”
Therefore having to write-off capitalised costs on EV projects that no longer will deliver probable economic benefit. That’s a direct whack to the P&L. Then there is also the depreciation on all EV assets that they also have not had to write off too. Again, huge whacks to your P&L. Both negative impacts to your profit directly due to EV.

jimbo761

427 posts

100 months

Yesterday (20:01)
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911Spanker said:
Scrap all the environmental crap and let manufacturers build proper cars again.
+1

86wasagoodyear

804 posts

114 months

Yesterday (20:12)
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pb8g09 said:
SDK said:
Quoted from the article

But its return on sales plungedfrom 14.1 per cent in 2024 to 0.2 per cent for the year to date, thanks to the ongoing perfect storm of the Chinese market slump

Also, quoted from here : https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/por...

The headline number is 212,059, the number of Porsches sold globally from January 1st this year until September 30th. If six per cent down on 2024 s equivalent (226,026), it still looks impressive for a company that only sells sports and luxury cars. Market share increased for five of the six model lines. The more interesting trends are in individual market and model fluctuations; the China situation remains tricky, for example, with 26 per cent fewer cars sold in the first three quarters of this year against 2024 (32,195 compared to 43,280).


That s a 26% sales drop in China for Porsche


Edited by SDK on Friday 24th October 19:49
Sigh. Add some more text about top line and keep ignoring the headline about profits nose diving because it s negative about your hard on for EVs

Here, I will add it here seeing as you twice have deliberately left it out:
the one-off effect of delaying or walking back its EV strategy.
Therefore having to write-off capitalised costs on EV projects that no longer will deliver probable economic benefit. That s a direct whack to the P&L. Then there is also the depreciation on all EV assets that they also have not had to write off too. Again, huge whacks to your P&L. Both negative impacts to your profit directly due to EV.
Exactly this^^ ie get as much bad financial news as possible out of the way in this one statement, to hopefully make it as easy as possible to announce wonderful figures in the coming 6, 12 months and beyond. If they can't.. we'll know they really are in deep trouble.

SDK

2,096 posts

271 months

Yesterday (20:13)
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pb8g09 said:
Sigh. Add some more text about top line and keep ignoring the headline about profits nose diving because it s negative about your hard on for EVs

Here, I will add it here seeing as you twice have deliberately left it out:
the one-off effect of delaying or walking back its EV strategy.
Therefore having to write-off capitalised costs on EV projects that no longer will deliver probable economic benefit. That s a direct whack to the P&L. Then there is also the depreciation on all EV assets that they also have not had to write off too. Again, huge whacks to your P&L. Both negative impacts to your profit directly due to EV.
Sure, obviously Porsche is the only company spending money on EV R&D irked

Frankychops

1,640 posts

27 months

Yesterday (20:13)
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Wab1974uk said:
Is this the EV affect?

Many legacy manufacturers will struggle to produce profitable EV's.

Unless there is a serious rethink regarding mandatory EV's, many manufactures will simple go bust. Then all we are left with is Tesla and Chinese cars. China will rule the car world.
It’s not EV related, Porsches now days are over priced, over sold and just too ‘normal’ for the price point.

I’d see it as more of the start of a process of realignment to where they should be. By trading at such volume, they’ve got a certain something. It’s now affecting sales

Terminator X

18,509 posts

222 months

Yesterday (20:20)
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Wab1974uk said:
Is this the EV affect?

Many legacy manufacturers will struggle to produce profitable EV's.

Unless there is a serious rethink regarding mandatory EV's, many manufactures will simple go bust. Then all we are left with is Tesla and Chinese cars. China will rule the car world.
I think it is. Drivers do not want EV, the only people that do are the tech geeks geeking out on the technology. A supremely bad time to be a sports car manufacturer imho. If you produce sporty EV's too who will care where it comes from; imho it will reduce down to who produces it the cheapest so normally China. Europe will be obliterated if things carry on as they are now or nothing changes.

TX.