RE: Euro NCAP puts 'annoying' ADAS in crosshairs
RE: Euro NCAP puts 'annoying' ADAS in crosshairs
Tuesday 25th November

Euro NCAP puts 'annoying' ADAS in crosshairs

You whinged, they listened - new safety tests coming 'more representative of real-world environment'


No new car can escape the blight that is driver assistance. The original intention was laudable - using technology to minimise the chances of crashing - but the integration has been so clumsy in some cases that it’s become a real bugbear. Moreover, as well as acting like the most paranoid of helicopter parents, a good few systems are overly tricky to turn off. Which, ironically enough, is when drivers are probably most distracted and likely to crash these days. 

The obsession with burying substandard safety features in layers and layers of menus has become such a problem that Euro NCAP has finally deemed it worthy of attention. You know it’s a safety concern when it’s on their radar, especially when it features in the biggest shakeup of its testing and regs since 2009. This will introduce new guidance from next year designed to, amongst other things, make sure ADAS works in the real world and not just the lab. Which could ultimately mean the return of important features to actual buttons, and not irritating sub-menus. 

Get yourself comfy for a surprisingly sensible statement from a large automotive corporation. ‘Several changes to Euro NCAP’s testing programme have been made in response to consumer feedback. Driver assistance systems, which have faced criticism for annoying warnings or intrusive interventions, will be evaluated not only on their crash-prevention abilities on the test track, but also during real-world driving, with the aim of improving consumer acceptance.’ You have to question why this wasn’t a consideration in the first place, given drivers only use their cars in the real world rather than the test track, but late is ultimately better than never. 

In terms of the actual Euro NCAP test, the assessment now takes place over four ‘key stages of safety’, which are safe driving, crash avoidance, crash protection, and post-crash safety, all scored out of 100. Stuff like lane assist and speed warnings will come under the first two stages; they will be rated on the ‘smoothness and intuitiveness of operation in everyday testing’, with new test scenarios to more accurately reflect where cars are driven. Unobtrusive systems will do well, ‘addressing concerns about intrusive or unpredictable interventions.’ Encouragingly, Euro NCAP’s test protocols will now be updated every three years, to better keep track of the pace of development. 

That’s not the end of entirely sensible and rational stuff coming from Belgium, either: ‘New assessments of the human–machine interface (HMI) are introduced, evaluating the placement, clarity, and ease of use of essential controls — including the availability of physical buttons for commonly used functions, which consumer feedback suggests can reduce distraction.’ If a car is going to be marked down from next year for how simple it is to use, then you can bet on one or two interior rethinks in the near future. Especially with so many of the worst offenders, as far as poorly integrated tech goes, among family-focused cars - where a Euro NCAP score definitely still holds sway. First, it was steering locks back to deter thieves, now physical buttons could be back on dashboards; before you know it air fresheners will be back dangling from mirrors and it really will be 1997 all over again. 

Dr. Michiel van Ratingen, Euro NCAP’s General Secretary, said: “The 2026 protocols further strengthen the rigour and relevance of our tests, rewarding vehicles that perform well across all stages of safety - before, during, and after a crash. The updates to protocols ensure that Euro NCAP’s testing, analysis, and ratings remain the definitive guide for consumers who value an impartial guide to the safety of the latest cars.” Which sounds like good news for all of us - especially if it does away with infernal screen-based afterthoughts.


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wistec1

Original Poster:

692 posts

60 months

Wednesday
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They've turned the job into a science. They won't impose any of that crap on me.

brillomaster

1,597 posts

189 months

Wednesday
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Well this sounds very sensible. ADAS systems that might actually assist rather than infuriate sounds great.

GeniusOfLove

4,412 posts

31 months

Wednesday
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Isn't this NCAP acting like they're stepping into to solve a problem largely of their own making?

Consumers didn't want these systems, I can't imagine manufacturers are particularly stoked about having to develop them and have them irritate their customers, they exist because they had to be in place to get a decent NCAP score no matter how actually safe the car was.


GPH

699 posts

136 months

Wednesday
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oh WOW. great gas lighting by Euro NCAP trying to look like the hero!
these crap systems that don't work are only in cars because component manufacturers persuaded Euro NCAP to include them in their tests who persuaded legislators to make them law.
They were even recently pushing to remove the off switches but at least they now realise some of this stuff doesn't work.
Maybe they should have done this testing Before telling Governments it should be fitted!

martin12345

865 posts

108 months

Wednesday
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Maybe there is some hope for me to own a modern car again
I had decided i wouldn't own a car newer than 2024 as they are all so annoying at the moment
Perhaps there will just be a "black spot" from 2024 to 2027 ~ 2029 when these changes are widely implimented for me to avoid

But as others have said, E-NCaP helped to create this mess, so to claim they are rescuing us from it is taking the piss !!


The other thing someone needs to get a grip on is LED headlights and how they dazzle on-coming traffic

The current lightly regulations clearly don't work with LED technology and very urgently need updating
But sadly that will take a few years and as headlights are "locked into" the style of the car we are going to be stuck with more and more car with dazzling LED's coming onto the road for at least another 5 to 10 years

It is really making driving at night unpleasent and is on the borderline of unsafe

Can't blame Euro-NCAP for this one but if they wanted to be part of the solution then that would be really a useful thing for them to do !!

Jader1973

4,699 posts

219 months

Wednesday
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They are only going to grade the systems based on some criteria and give them a score.

Most important point is that the score isn’t part of the Star rating.

So, your 5 star car can still have a crap system.


Bweber

77 posts

80 months

Wednesday
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NCAP are trying to save lives. Over time, they have done well. Thousands of people are live today who would have been maimed or killed without safety standards enforced by legislation. NCAP recognise that more lives can be saved by boosting consumer acceptance and are developing strategies to deliver that. Honestly, what’s not to like?

MOBB

4,164 posts

146 months

Wednesday
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I ve driven 3 2025 cars with this assistance;

BMW 330e
911 GTS
Mazda 3

The Mazda continually bonged at me, speed limit change, you’ve exceeded the speed limit, the limit has changed, let me me steer that for you

The 330e beeped at me when I went too fast round roundabouts bizarrely

The 911 was better though still bonged a lot

Quite different cars, wouldn t consider buying any of them, all appalling safety systems, will be good if they can use some common sense with this

Edited by MOBB on Wednesday 26th November 22:09

Mr Tidy

28,212 posts

146 months

Wednesday
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At least they seem to have realised some of these systems aren't necessarily much good!

If only someone would rethink the DRL situation and include rear lights, or make auto-lights compulsory. I still see so many of the gormless driving at night with no rear lights because they've got some on the front and the dashboard is lit up. banghead

Surely that is a major safety issue?

irc

9,167 posts

155 months

Wednesday
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As always there are unintended consequences. I drive various cars at work. The current fleet precedes a lot of this crap. When I get a hire car with the speed limit bongs etc I find a way through the menus to turn it off then don't turn the engine off for my 6 hour shift.

I will be changing my own car in 2 or 3 years and ease of disabling some of these features will be a major factor in my choice.


Debaser

7,328 posts

280 months

Wednesday
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Regulations state a minimum number of actions required to turn off some systems, and they have to turn on every time the car is started.

To be legal, they must annoying to switch off.

kilham5

6 posts

93 months

Yesterday (00:36)
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Really welcome.
Better late than never.

Can they also look at headlight performance while they are at it.
Both from a glare perspective and performance perspective.
I have spent the last 15 years in C-Class with bi-xenon.
Brilliant controlled illumination on dip, with mega main beam. Never got flashed for dazzling.

Roll forward and just bought a new Toyota C-HR
Packed with frustrating tech binging and bonging every 30 seconds and warning me of every potential hazard.
However, the basic headlight performance is utterly woeful, dip or main beam, just vague puddles of weak illumination. Yet I get flashed as obviously scattering that poor light everywhere.

The car has all the safety intervention in daylight but is basically a complete liability above 30mph as soon as it gets dark.
They have to be called out.

Progress? In safety terms, all this tech IMO is utterly counter productive ( but no doubt cheap to implement)


Edited by kilham5 on Thursday 27th November 00:41


Edited by kilham5 on Thursday 27th November 00:44

nismo48

5,830 posts

226 months

Yesterday (07:32)
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martin12345 said:
Maybe there is some hope for me to own a modern car again
I had decided i wouldn't own a car newer than 2024 as they are all so annoying at the moment
Perhaps there will just be a "black spot" from 2024 to 2027 ~ 2029 when these changes are widely implimented for me to avoid

But as others have said, E-NCaP helped to create this mess, so to claim they are rescuing us from it is taking the piss !!


The other thing someone needs to get a grip on is LED headlights and how they dazzle on-coming traffic

The current lightly regulations clearly don't work with LED technology and very urgently need updating
But sadly that will take a few years and as headlights are "locked into" the style of the car we are going to be stuck with more and more car with dazzling LED's coming onto the road for at least another 5 to 10 years

It is really making driving at night unpleasent and is on the borderline of unsafe

Can't blame Euro-NCAP for this one but if they wanted to be part of the solution then that would be really a useful thing for them to do !!
Good post

GolfDragon

259 posts

86 months

Yesterday (07:40)
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Also find people who drive around with full beam on everywhere really annoying and those who’ve obviously changed their front headlight bulbs themselves without aligning them properly

Krikkit

27,662 posts

200 months

Yesterday (08:52)
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wistec1 said:
They've turned the job into a science. They won't impose any of that crap on me.
What a depressingly stupid criticism.

GeniusOfLove said:
Isn't this NCAP acting like they're stepping into to solve a problem largely of their own making?

Consumers didn't want these systems, I can't imagine manufacturers are particularly stoked about having to develop them and have them irritate their customers, they exist because they had to be in place to get a decent NCAP score no matter how actually safe the car was.
I don't really follow how the poor implementation from the manufacturers is NCAP's fault - yes they pushed for the introduction of them, but the responsibility for functionality and integration is with the manufacturers. That NCAP are having to pressure manufacturers to do it properly is a sign that they're lazy gobstes.

Ultimately they didn't have to introduce them at all - NCAP is a voluntary scheme.

Deessee

63 posts

158 months

Yesterday (10:10)
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The ADAS in my FL5 CTR are ridiculous. The speed limit bongs (3 loud, irritating) sound the second you breach the speed limit by 1mph which means when following the flow of traffic at say between an indicated 38-42mph (36-40mph actual) the thing is constantly going off. It’s insane. The only way to disable it is to access the developer menu buried within the infotainment and disabling the entire native navigation functionality. Waze and Google maps work better, but why should owners have to resort to removing a key feature just to not become infuriated with a so-called safety system?

Once that’s sorted you then have to switch off lane keep assist and front impact protection every time you switch the car on via a clunky interface (no single button) as the LKAS is borderline dangerous in how much it yanks the wheel should you, say, want to merge into a lane or cross a white line at any point. If you forget to switch it off, you then have to access the same clunky interface when on the move which is a huge distraction. It’s anti-safety.

When integrated properly, these systems can work really well. The ADAS in my Merc by comparison is so subtle and effective that I barely need to switch it off.


Fetchez la vache

5,834 posts

233 months

Yesterday (10:26)
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Mr Tidy said:
At least they seem to have realised some of these systems aren't necessarily much good!

If only someone would rethink the DRL situation and include rear lights, or make auto-lights compulsory. I still see so many of the gormless driving at night with no rear lights because they've got some on the front and the dashboard is lit up. banghead

Surely that is a major safety issue?
Absolutely. You can also add requiring to look away from the road in order to go through menus rather than twisting a big knob I don't have to even look at in order to change the temp to this list.
I appreciate some cars may have voice control for but I don't want to talk to a chuffing car.

dvinell

125 posts

130 months

Yesterday (10:40)
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These things wouldn't be so annoying if when you switched them off, there was an option to respect that setting across restarts.
Every time I start the Cupra ... Stop/Start "off" ... Lane Keep Assist "off"
The other stuff works reasonably well - the speed limit warning is a red indication on the speedo, which makes you aware without any bings or bongs.



Edited by dvinell on Thursday 27th November 10:43

tr7v8

7,501 posts

247 months

Yesterday (10:46)
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One of the reasons I like my new MG S5. Two buttons & I set MG Pilot & cancel all this crap.

dvinell

125 posts

130 months

Yesterday (10:46)
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Debaser said:
Regulations state a minimum number of actions required to turn off some systems, and they have to turn on every time the car is started.
To be legal, they must annoying to switch off.
I think Jaguar must have lied when the F-Type was homologated.
Quite apart from the exhaust volume with the flaps open ... when you disable LKS ... it stays off across restarts!