RE: New 300hp V6 TDI for Audi A6 and Q5
RE: New 300hp V6 TDI for Audi A6 and Q5
Thursday 27th November

New 300hp V6 TDI for Audi A6 and Q5

Cutting-edge oil burner, with three electrified elements, makes a fine case for the black pump


 As discovered recently with the new A6 Avant, there’s not much beating a big diesel Audi for moving lots of people lots of distance with the minimum of fuss. That being said, the regular TDI isn’t what you’d call rampantly powerful, and the A6 range was notable for launching only with four-cylinder power; whether petrol, PHEV or diesel, there was nothing larger than 2.0-litres initially. Which always seemed a bit mean. Now Audi is addressing the situation with a new version of its long-serving EA897 3.0-litre V6 oil-burner, for both A6 and Q5. 

This being a new Audi compression ignition engine, EA897evo4 is a fiendishly complex unit. So while the MHEV plus technology - with a 24hp boost and electric manoeuvring possible - is familiar from cars like the S5, here the 3.0-litre is updated with an electric compressor alongside. That’s what arrived in cars like the SQ7 diesel to such pronounced effect, boosting the engine before the exhaust gas turbos could contribute. Audi says it’s the first time that MHEV plus has been used in conjunction with the electrically powered compressor, and as a result, it makes for ‘new standards compared to its predecessors.’ 

The benefits are said to be felt everywhere, the compressor and the powertrain generator combining to offer up to 3.6 bar nearly a second faster than before - eliminating turbo lag, according to its maker. Indeed, with the compressor wheel spinning at up to 90,000rpm in 250 milliseconds, the suggestion is of an A6 TDI that ‘closely resembles the feel of an electric drive with similar power.’  Then it just keeps going, the electric compressor improving initial acceleration - apparently it gains a car length in the first 2.5 seconds - the MHEV plus recuperating energy when slowing down, plus the fast lane of the M40 made a doddle thanks to electric helping a large-capacity turbodiesel.

Or, as Audi puts it: ‘In combination with the MHEV plus electrification consisting of a belt alternator starter and powertrain generator, the V6 TDI engine EA897evo4 delivers powerful performance in every driving situation: when starting from a standstill, accelerating out of town, overtaking, and driving on the highway.’ You wouldn’t want to have to fix it in the late 2030s, but this would surely be the master of the motorway until then. 

In terms of raw stats, this is a 299hp 3.0 V6 TDI with 428lb ft - i.e. a very worthwhile upgrade over the 2.0-litre’s 204hp and 295lb ft. While performance stats aren’t yet available for either saloon or SUV, it reckons that CO2 varies from just 140g/km to 177g/km, depending on body style and options. Fuel consumption is from 41.5mpg to 53.3, which are frankly incredible numbers from a 3.0-litre V6 given how stringent tests are these days. You’ll be filling up once a month. And not even with regular crummy diesel, either, if that doesn’t suit. The EA897evo4 can use HVO fuel that conforms to European standard EN 15940 - keep up at the back. HVO standards for Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil, and it’s actually what the cars made at Ingolstadt or Neckarsulm will leave the factory with. It’s exactly what you think, taking used cooking oil or farming by-products to make saturated aliphatic hydrocarbons.

So fuelled, Audi reckons on a 70 to 95 per cent reduction in CO2 compared to conventional diesel. And a rush to Harry Ramsden’s from everyone sharing the motorway with the smell. In its international release, Audi states that the new V6 TDI quattro can be ordered for both Q5 and A6 right now. UK availability hasn’t been confirmed - and between ever-increasing EV requirements and an additional tax on electric cars due, it’s hard to know exactly which cars manufacturers should try and sell here. But a 50mpg Audi saloon with a V6 sounds very nice indeed. Best get planning a road trip.  


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flight147z

Original Poster:

1,301 posts

149 months

Thursday 27th November
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Feels very odd that BMW offer nothing similar in the UK anymore after relying on diesel being a core part of their range for so long

Krikkit

27,722 posts

201 months

Thursday 27th November
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300hp V6 diesel... i.e. the same as they and other brands have been producing for years?

CMTMB

301 posts

15 months

Thursday 27th November
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Krikkit said:
300hp V6 diesel... i.e. the same as they and other brands have been producing for years?
  • had been producing.

GeniusOfLove

4,443 posts

32 months

Thursday 27th November
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If you need to tow and/or go long distances without breaks then this will, while it's working, be a fantastic way to do it.

7 years old with no warranty? Daredevil territory hehe

corcoran

672 posts

294 months

Thursday 27th November
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- Shall we put the Audi badge on the bumper or bonnet, mate?

- nah let's just stick it at the top of the grille, and head to lunch.

- yeah nice idea.

nismo48

5,921 posts

227 months

Thursday 27th November
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corcoran said:
- Shall we put the Audi badge on the bumper or bonnet, mate?

- nah let's just stick it at the top of the grille, and head to lunch.

- yeah nice idea.
smile

theicemario

1,457 posts

95 months

Thursday 27th November
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I am of the opinion that a large saloon like this A6 should never be offered with a 2.0 litre engine, be that a diesel or a petrol. This is more like it.

Fetchez la vache

5,850 posts

234 months

Thursday 27th November
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Love the fact that it looks so unbelievably dull they photographed it in the mist in order to make it look better / hide it

el romeral

1,848 posts

157 months

Thursday 27th November
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Is it any less smelly and carcinogenic than some of the smelly old diesels which I always seem to be stuck behind?

Arsecati

2,688 posts

137 months

Thursday 27th November
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If anyone told me 16 years ago I would STILL be dailying my old A6 Avant 3.0 TDi, I would have thought them mad. But here I am, a quarter of a million faultless miles later, and still as utterly reliable as the day I bought it. I've toyed with the idea so many times of 'upgrading' it (initially the BiTDi and latterly the S6), but it just keeps doing everything I need without a whisper (pulling race vehicles to the track while carrying a 54kg GSD in the back!), I've not seen the point. I always thought: 'I'll get a new one when it finally blows up'...... but it still keeps going. Granted, having to pay more in annual tax than what the cars worth does grate a bit, and does amuse people that just the exhaust cans on my 2025 Panigale V4S alone cost more than 5 TIMES the entire value of the car towing it, but fek it, I've enough other toys to keep me entertained on the weekends - for the meaningful grunt work, I'll just keep it rolling.

SDK

2,395 posts

273 months

Thursday 27th November
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Who is buying these?
The A6 Avant version costs £62k in 'S Line' trim and with 140g/km to 177g/km, that's an extra £1.3k to £3.3k in first year VED costs, and £9k a year in company car BIK tax.(40% tax payer)

It's about £1.5k per month
You have REALLY got to want to a diesel at this price !


Edited by SDK on Thursday 27th November 16:01

CraigyMc

18,031 posts

256 months

Thursday 27th November
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CMTMB said:
Krikkit said:
300hp V6 diesel... i.e. the same as they and other brands have been producing for years?
  • had been producing.
BMW still make a car like this, they just don't sell it in the UK.

The 540d xDrive has a 3 litre straight six, 300hp and 494 lb/ft with a 18hp/148lb/ft boost from the 48v ISG motor - it's a mild hybrid.
It's been available since 2024 in non-UK markets.
It's not like selling it or not in the UK is an LHD/RHD thing, they sell it in RHD for Australia just fine.


GeniusOfLove

4,443 posts

32 months

Thursday 27th November
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SDK said:
Who is buying these?
The A6 Avant version costs £62k in 'S Line' trim and with 140g/km to 177g/km, that's an extra £1.3k to £3.3k in first year VED costs, and £9k a year in company car BIK tax.(40% tax payer)

It's about £1.5k per month
You have REALLY got to want to a diesel at this price !


Edited by SDK on Thursday 27th November 16:01
I don't know about Audi, but apparently Mercedes Benz still have a non trivial number of private buyers for the proper stuff, things like that E400d estate that was featured the other day for example. It's possible Audi have enough people buying in cash to justify offering this car, or of course it might never make it to the UK and it's for other markets with different tax regimes.

I can't say any recent A6 is a common sight in the UK though, even in places where new 5 series and E classes are everywhere. I was next to one in traffic in the summer with my roof down, it's nasty clattery diesel rattling away, and it's a rare enough spot that I both registered it at the time and remember it now.

iphonedyou

10,049 posts

177 months

Thursday 27th November
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That’s exactly who. This isn’t for the company car market.

CMTMB

301 posts

15 months

Thursday 27th November
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CraigyMc said:
CMTMB said:
Krikkit said:
300hp V6 diesel... i.e. the same as they and other brands have been producing for years?
  • had been producing.
BMW still make a car like this, they just don't sell it in the UK.

The 540d xDrive has a 3 litre straight six, 300hp and 494 lb/ft with a 18hp/148lb/ft boost from the 48v ISG motor - it's a mild hybrid.
It's been available since 2024 in non-UK markets.
It's not like selling it or not in the UK is an LHD/RHD thing, they sell it in RHD for Australia just fine.
Absolutely, I should've said 'producing for the UK market' Such a shame we don't get more cars like this anymore. My brother has an M340d and it's a great package.

otolith

64,186 posts

224 months

Thursday 27th November
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Crikey, and people worry about battery cars being a liability out of warranty!

CraigyMc

18,031 posts

256 months

Thursday 27th November
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el romeral said:
Is it any less smelly and carcinogenic than some of the smelly old diesels which I always seem to be stuck behind?
The market for cars where you live is not the UK, so why bother?

Tom1312

1,153 posts

166 months

Thursday 27th November
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Coming in black with blue grill lights in the outside lane at high speed soon hopefully.

These would make fantastic replacements for the knackered BMWs and disappointment that is the V90 job cars.

scenario8

7,481 posts

199 months

Thursday 27th November
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otolith said:
Crikey, and people worry about battery cars being a liability out of warranty!
Quite. The risk of something, something at all, going wrong within warranty would be enough to put me off. They d need to offer it for free for me to go near in five or ten years. But I m risk averse and have little tolerance for service garages.

Reasons have made these sorts of cars drivetrains complex in the extreme.

Clivey

5,455 posts

224 months

Thursday 27th November
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SDK said:
Who is buying these?
The A6 Avant version costs £62k in 'S Line' trim and with 140g/km to 177g/km, that's an extra £1.3k to £3.3k in first year VED costs, and £9k a year in company car BIK tax.(40% tax payer)

It's about £1.5k per month
You have REALLY got to want to a diesel at this price !


Edited by SDK on Thursday 27th November 16:01
Aside from private buyers, people with car allowances rather than company car policies.