RE: Lexus LFA returns - but not as we know it
RE: Lexus LFA returns - but not as we know it
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Lexus LFA returns - but not as we know it

If the Gazoo Racing GT is Toyota taking a wild punt, the battery-powered LFA is Lexus hedging its bets


Clearly, Toyota knows what the fallout is when you pluck a concept from the ether and call it a Lexus LFA. Thanks to the rule of automotive follow-through (you don’t sell a guy one car, you sell him five cars over 15 years), success is meant to be longstanding. But the LFA famously appeared in 2010 and died two years later. In other words, it was like Buddy Holly: prodigiously, expansively good - but too mould-breaking to be easily replicated. 

Truthfully, the new GR GT, a combustive shot in the dark if ever there was one, is a better and more faithful follow-up than a BEV sports car (appropriate, given the way the Lexus badge was grafted on Toyota’s masterpiece). But not to cash in on the LFA’s cache would be no less of a crime, hence the Lexus LFA Concept, a car apparently intended to embody its maker’s “Shikinen Sengu” principle of techniques and skills being passed on by car-making veterans to a younger generation. 

Back in the real world, what we’re talking about is (broadly speaking) an EV built on the GR GT’s underpinnings - i.e. the high rigidity, all-aluminium frame was there to be exploited, and thanks to the packaging flexibility of batteries and e-motors (not to mention the flexibility of a premium brand increasingly associated with electrification) the zero-emission LFA was virtually inevitable. 

With those three letters in play, Lexus was keen ahead of time to note the ‘three key elements’ supposedly at work in the concept’s gestation - low centre of gravity, low weight and aerodynamic efficiency - though on the basis that it released no additional technical information ahead of the LFA’s unveiling, it would be safe to assume that model is very much third in the pecking order behind its V8-powered siblings. 

Frankly, that status feels appropriate given the low regard for high-end EVs more broadly, and even Toyota freely admits both the exterior and interior of the LFA were revealed as the ‘Lexus Sport Concept’ during Monterey Car Week. Its svelte silhouette remains (inheriting its predecessor’s ‘sculptural beauty while displaying classic coupe proportions’, according to its maker), though without anything further to go on, it’s hard to leave one’s pram in excitement. 

‘The model name “LFA” is not bound to vehicles powered by internal combustion engines. It symbolises a vehicle that embodies technologies its engineers should preserve and pass on to the next generation. From the past to the future: the Lexus LFA Concept is a testament to how Lexus is preserving and passing on the value of sports cars and car-making knowledge so they can be retained and evolved.’ Make sense of that, and you’ll have a middling idea of where Toyota is going with battery-powered high performance.


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Police State

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Yesterday (07:20)
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Proportional perfection.

covmutley

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Yesterday (07:23)
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Amazeballs

mikebradford

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Yesterday (07:28)
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Looks great.
However I'm not getting any desire for it.

andy43

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274 months

Yesterday (07:40)
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mikebradford said:
Looks great.
However I'm not getting any desire for it.
Now reread the article and substitute EV with V10.
Bet that does it.
They’ll have to put an engine in this if they want to sell any, even if it’s ‘just’ the LC 5 litre V8.

cobra kid

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Yesterday (07:48)
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That side view makes me drip a little........

LRDefender

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Yesterday (07:49)
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Bellissimo..!!

I would have one of these in a heartbeat.

andy43

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274 months

Yesterday (08:10)
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Video here of a test car on the road. Hell yeah!
https://supercarblondie.com/toyota-to-unveil-three...

trails

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169 months

Yesterday (08:29)
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andy43 said:
mikebradford said:
Looks great.
However I'm not getting any desire for it.
Now reread the article and substitute EV with V10.
Bet that does it.
They ll have to put an engine in this if they want to sell any, even if it s just the LC 5 litre V8.
I think a lot of people will feel the same way, fabulous looking thing...but not much desire to have a go in it with that drive train, call me a luddite but it just leaves me cold.

Quickmoose

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143 months

Yesterday (08:32)
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So this is the production ready version?
If so, I'm happy.... massive TRON vibes for me, the only nit picking I can do is the vertical line and sharp edge of edge of the side graphic/vent thing...
the rest, and especially the interior is rather wonderful.

LRDefender

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28 months

Yesterday (08:34)
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trails said:
andy43 said:
mikebradford said:
Looks great.
However I'm not getting any desire for it.
Now reread the article and substitute EV with V10.
Bet that does it.
They ll have to put an engine in this if they want to sell any, even if it s just the LC 5 litre V8.
I think a lot of people will feel the same way, fabulous looking thing...but not much desire to have a go in it with that drive train, call me a luddite but it just leaves me cold.
It might be possible that Lexus/Toyota have recognised that there are lots of potential customers out there for this kind of product that have never experienced an I.C.E. powered car or have no intention of owning one. In my opinion this is a good thing as focussing ones products on a declining customer demographic is not working well for many car manufacturers. Time will tell I guess....

trails

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Yesterday (08:37)
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LRDefender said:
It might be possible that Lexus/Toyota have recognised that there are lots of potential customers out there for this kind of product that have never experienced an I.C.E. powered car or have no intention of owning one. In my opinion this is a good thing as focussing ones products on a declining customer demographic is not working well for many car manufacturers. Time will tell I guess....
I'm certainly not a potential customer, so my opinion is entirely moot...I hope it works out for them, it's an amazing looking thing smile

Clivey

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Yesterday (08:45)
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trails said:
andy43 said:
mikebradford said:
Looks great.
However I'm not getting any desire for it.
Now reread the article and substitute EV with V10.
Bet that does it.
They ll have to put an engine in this if they want to sell any, even if it s just the LC 5 litre V8.
I think a lot of people will feel the same way, fabulous looking thing...but not much desire to have a go in it with that drive train, call me a luddite but it just leaves me cold.
I always think the "luddite" argument is a funny one. - Imagine if we applied the same thinking to other products (paper books, non-smart watches, physical media etc.etc.) and started calling everyone that doesn't want whatever the latest trend is names.

"OMG, you still use an oven and not an air fryer! Oh, what a knuckle dragger!"

Cars are part of our culture, just like architecture and the arts. Actually, there is a word for people that are indifferent or ourtight hostile to culture: Philistine. wink

trails

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Yesterday (09:02)
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Clivey said:
I always think the "luddite" argument is a funny one. - Imagine if we applied the same thinking to other products (paper books, non-smart watches, physical media etc.etc.) and started calling everyone that doesn't want whatever the latest trend is names.

"OMG, you still use an oven and not an air fryer! Oh, what a knuckle dragger!"

Cars are part of our culture, just like architecture and the arts. Actually, there is a word for people that are indifferent or ourtight hostile to culture: Philistine. wink
I may be due a parrot here, but I'm a little confused...the Luddites were a group of English textile workers that were concerned technology would steal their jobs, contemporary use of the word is a label for those that have little to no interest in adopting modern technology. Whilst a Philistine is someone that values materialism over intellect or the arts...so not sure what point you are trying to make.

I own an oven and an air fryer if that is helpful smile

GreatScott2016

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108 months

Yesterday (09:09)
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Well sadly for me, this is a disappointment. It’s clearly in the LFA mould design wise, but far less attractive. The rear end is awful and in profile, it just looks too stretched. I say this being a big fan of the original car.

Clivey

5,438 posts

224 months

Yesterday (09:10)
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trails said:
I may be due a parrot here, but I'm a little confused...the Luddites were a group of English textile workers that were concerned technology would steal their jobs, contemporary use of the word is a label for those that have little to no interest in adopting modern technology. Whilst a Philistine is someone that values materialism over intellect or the arts...so not sure what point you are trying to make.

I own an oven and an air fryer if that is helpful smile


^ That's as I understand the meaning of the word. smile

Baddie

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237 months

Yesterday (09:15)
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That felt a heavier read than it might have been, simple things described confusingly.

Be amazed if a production car looks like that, and Toyota do have previous there. But if it does look like that by 2027 the powertrain could be a moot point. The world is shifting quickly and the Neue Klasse seems to be an another big step in the EV direction already.

trails

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169 months

Yesterday (09:18)
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Clivey said:


^ That's as I understand the meaning of the word. smile
I think we broadly have the same understanding of the word, but I still don't understand your original post, perhaps I need to go get a cup of coffee laugh

thetapeworm

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259 months

Yesterday (09:21)
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Well that just made the GR GT look like a Kia Stinger biglaugh

The LFA of old was just a means to showcase that amazing engine though, this feels like it's the other way around, a means of propulsion to move around a styling exercise.

Wab1974uk

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47 months

Yesterday (09:22)
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Bet I know which one the rich want. It won't be the fridge on wheels.

RumbleOfThunder

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223 months

Yesterday (09:27)
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Concept car junk. Ban them all.