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Some of you will have seen this, and the lament is not novel to this forum, but I thought this was interesting:
https://www.tiktok.com/@cherubg1rl/video/756861659...
just shows you how the frustrations with modern car design is leaking into the mainstream...
https://www.tiktok.com/@cherubg1rl/video/756861659...
just shows you how the frustrations with modern car design is leaking into the mainstream...
Here's a book you should read:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Design-Everyday-Things-MI...
It's incredibly famous. Makes the point that good design has to be intuitive. A product's manner of use should be obvious from its physical presentation. It needs to "afford" the user the actions that they seek.
Modern car design fails this simple, and widely-recognised, test.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Design-Everyday-Things-MI...
It's incredibly famous. Makes the point that good design has to be intuitive. A product's manner of use should be obvious from its physical presentation. It needs to "afford" the user the actions that they seek.
Modern car design fails this simple, and widely-recognised, test.
"Why is there rope here" made me laugh.
I used to think like this too but in my Tesla now I look at other cars with buttons everywhere like the BYD Seal and can't stand the look of it. Screens, I didn't like for a long time but if they are done well then they work. I find it amazing that there are cars built in the last 10 years and even new cars where pressing something on the screen doesn't respond immediately and the menu sections take a perceivable amount of time to load.
I used to think like this too but in my Tesla now I look at other cars with buttons everywhere like the BYD Seal and can't stand the look of it. Screens, I didn't like for a long time but if they are done well then they work. I find it amazing that there are cars built in the last 10 years and even new cars where pressing something on the screen doesn't respond immediately and the menu sections take a perceivable amount of time to load.
dxg said:
Makes the point that good design has to be intuitive. A product's manner of use should be obvious from its physical presentation. It needs to "afford" the user the actions that they seek.
Modern car design fails this simple, and widely-recognised, test.
Exactly.Modern car design fails this simple, and widely-recognised, test.
Many modern cars seem to have been designed without any user involvement or feedback whatsoever.
P675 said:
"Why is there rope here" made me laugh.
I used to think like this too but in my Tesla now I look at other cars with buttons everywhere like the BYD Seal and can't stand the look of it. Screens, I didn't like for a long time but if they are done well then they work. I find it amazing that there are cars built in the last 10 years and even new cars where pressing something on the screen doesn't respond immediately and the menu sections take a perceivable amount of time to load.
A true petrolhead ...I used to think like this too but in my Tesla now I look at other cars with buttons everywhere like the BYD Seal and can't stand the look of it. Screens, I didn't like for a long time but if they are done well then they work. I find it amazing that there are cars built in the last 10 years and even new cars where pressing something on the screen doesn't respond immediately and the menu sections take a perceivable amount of time to load.
P675 said:
"Why is there rope here" made me laugh.
I used to think like this too but in my Tesla now I look at other cars with buttons everywhere like the BYD Seal and can't stand the look of it. Screens, I didn't like for a long time but if they are done well then they work. I find it amazing that there are cars built in the last 10 years and even new cars where pressing something on the screen doesn't respond immediately and the menu sections take a perceivable amount of time to load.
It's really interesting, I find it baffling why people don't want buttons. I have driven loads of cars with functions on the screens and it's so much worse than having a lovely button to press. Examples of this are having driving modes in menus, or trying to change music, or finding the heated seat option, these should have buttons in my view.I used to think like this too but in my Tesla now I look at other cars with buttons everywhere like the BYD Seal and can't stand the look of it. Screens, I didn't like for a long time but if they are done well then they work. I find it amazing that there are cars built in the last 10 years and even new cars where pressing something on the screen doesn't respond immediately and the menu sections take a perceivable amount of time to load.
It also strikes me that the new interiors without buttons also feel cheap. High quality buttons, especially metal ones, are part of what make an interior feel premium to me. Lots of leather, buttons and premium materials work for me. I'm hopeful that we will go back to that one day.
An American woman had recently passed her test and bought her first car.
The next day she took it back to the dealer complaining that it wouldn’t drive at night.
“I kept putting it in Night mode but every time I did it just doesn’t move.”
“Night mode?” asked the mechanic.
“Yes,” she said, “It’s OK when I use it in Day mode but when I select N after dark it just won’t move!”
The next day she took it back to the dealer complaining that it wouldn’t drive at night.
“I kept putting it in Night mode but every time I did it just doesn’t move.”
“Night mode?” asked the mechanic.
“Yes,” she said, “It’s OK when I use it in Day mode but when I select N after dark it just won’t move!”
Gerradi said:
P675 said:
"Why is there rope here" made me laugh.
I used to think like this too but in my Tesla now I look at other cars with buttons everywhere like the BYD Seal and can't stand the look of it. Screens, I didn't like for a long time but if they are done well then they work. I find it amazing that there are cars built in the last 10 years and even new cars where pressing something on the screen doesn't respond immediately and the menu sections take a perceivable amount of time to load.
A true petrolhead ...I used to think like this too but in my Tesla now I look at other cars with buttons everywhere like the BYD Seal and can't stand the look of it. Screens, I didn't like for a long time but if they are done well then they work. I find it amazing that there are cars built in the last 10 years and even new cars where pressing something on the screen doesn't respond immediately and the menu sections take a perceivable amount of time to load.
I had a Tesla, I got to grips with the screens and I actually liked the minimalist Model S interior, then I come out one morning and Elon had moved the heating controls. Stuff that.
5-10 year old designs have a good mix of idrive type stuff, touchscreens and buttons but why on earth on my ‘22 X5 all the identically buttoned drive modes are lumped together by my leg I have no idea. It’s impossible to change from hybrid to electric etc without looking away from the road. All the buttons are the same feel, shape, it’s just daft for buttons that can be used multiple times on one trip.
NCAP is sensibly catching on to this as well - less buttons equals a lower rating iirc.
The tiktok car is a new Mini. We did look at it - it’s ugly, the interior is utterly rubbish and that’s before you get to the steering wheel rope. We got a 2016 JCW instead, it’s frigging ace
Sporky said:
Im not sure people don't want buttons. I think car companies don't want them because they're inevitably more expensive than a single touchscreen.
I also think that we have had a period of car interior design and user experience which the geeks have dominated over. We have tech for tech's sake. We have others 'keeping up with the neighbours' on these things, leading to an ever increasing race for fewer physical controls and more ipads bolted on top of a dash.Only in recent year or two are we seeing a more balanced approach - a few buttons to make the usual things like temperature and volume up and down, a move to screens about responsiveness and accessibility not the largest size.
Heck, the optimist in me wonders if we might see a return to modest sized, lightweight cars as people realise that they are all things brilliant in the cities and towns...
Sporky said:
MikeM6 said:
I find it baffling why people don't want buttons.
Im not sure people don't want buttons. I think car companies don't want them because they're inevitably more expensive than a single touchscreen. Screens are a distraction. Walk anywhere in public and you will see phone zombies doom scrolling everywhere. How car makers get away with encouraging that behaviour moving vehicles is beyond me.
Putting all your eggs in one basket control wise, is a recipe for disaster, imo. There is no fallback. If the screen or it's control module goes down, you're not going anywhere. And as you say, they can be laggy to respond, especially if the car picks up a Friday afternoon job firmware update.
Physical controls are also part of the art and pleasure of driving a car. Imagine replacing all of Pagani's billet interior beauty with a few Samsung Galaxy Tab screens.
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