RE: Less horsepower for BMW V8 as Euro 7 bites
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Less horsepower for BMW V8 as Euro 7 bites

BMW M5 bears the brunt of enforced changes as emissions rules become stricter for 2027


Just as the furore around the latest BMW M5 appeared to die down, here it is in the headlines once more. And it ain’t good news, folks. From March this year, ahead of the introduction of Euro 7 regulations in 2027, the latest PHEV M car will feature ‘optimised drive technology’. Which sounds intriguing - could it be increased EV range? Faster charging speed? More power? 

It’s none of those things, because Euro 7 makes combustion even trickier to sell than ever. So for the M5s made from the spring, the V8 part of the powertrain will be less powerful than before, with 544hp against the previous 585hp. Improved efficiency ought to result, thanks to the introduction of the Miller combustion process plus changes to the exhaust and electronics, but a power drop so soon after launch isn’t a brilliant optic for an M car. The headline 727hp figure remains, thanks to optimised software for the electric drive; it’s just that the engine now contributes a little less. 

Ultimately (hopefully) its impact on the M5 driving experience will be minimal, though it goes to show just how drastic Euro 7 regs are that even a company with the engineering might of BMW must resort to reduced ICE power in a plug-in hybrid to comply. Similar measures are also being employed for the XM Label, which shares the powertrain, effective from April 2026 production. BMW says the change ‘applies to all EU countries as well as countries outside the EU that follow EU directives on emissions compliance.’ So it’s us too, folks.

Of course, for all the aggro that’s probably going to be directed BMW’s way, the changes do still mean a new M saloon and Touring with a V8 engine will be available for the foreseeable future. AMG doesn’t offer one at the moment, while Audi has been quiet on an RS6 replacement. An M5 with a 544hp V8 rather than a 585hp one is better than no V8 at all. The press release said: ‘By taking this action, BMW M ensures that its customers have consistent access to state-of-the-art high-performance vehicles that meet future environmental requirements with innovative technology, even under volatile regulatory conditions. Without compromising on the characteristic BMW M performance.’ No mention has yet been made of any price alteration for the latest car, the M5 currently retailing at £114,095 (or £2k more for the wagon). But, if only 585hp will do, early cars are now from £25k less than that


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nismo48

Original Poster:

6,103 posts

228 months

So does this mean less is going to cost more ?

Tubbycharged

59 posts

156 months

I wonder whether we will see a similar impact on the 4.0 V8 AMG M177, which powers various Mercedes-AMG's and Aston's etc. If not, what is different?

Also wondering if the exhaust changes mentioned in the article will mean any impact on the sound.

Night Owl

363 posts

3 months

The EU needs to dissolve in order to stop Agenda 2030.

richinlondon

797 posts

143 months

side profile is fine, back is okay, lovely colour....but ooh that face - bloody hell!

Dave Hedgehog

15,654 posts

225 months

nismo48 said:
So does this mean less is going to cost more ?
its going to cost more to make, and a lot more to maintain

cerb4.5lee

40,830 posts

201 months

It still has a V8 at least, so I'll just accept that this is still making the best of a bad job in these difficult times for car enthusiasts I think. Plus there are plenty of electric cars out there for folk that aren't interested in cars and engines anyway to be fair. So everyone is still happy just about really I reckon.

pSyCoSiS

4,097 posts

226 months

Weird to think the previous generation M5 had 600+ bhp from it's twin turbo V8, and these 'only' muster 585 (to be 544).

I know it is over 700 bhp with electric assistance, but still seems like a backwards step for the ICE part?

pSyCoSiS

4,097 posts

226 months

richinlondon said:
side profile is fine, back is okay, lovely colour....but ooh that face - bloody hell!
The front end has really grown on me over the past few months, and I think they do look good in the flesh. Very colour-dependent, though.

Not a pretty car by any stretch, but it is aggressive and menacing, which I think suits the M5.

andy43

12,414 posts

275 months

Tubbycharged said:
Also wondering if the exhaust changes mentioned in the article will mean any impact on the sound.
Place your bets...

Robigus

102 posts

253 months

cerb4.5lee said:
So everyone is still happy just about really I reckon.
I admire your optimism.

CrippsCorner

3,255 posts

202 months

richinlondon said:
side profile is fine, back is okay, lovely colour....but ooh that face - bloody hell!
Tastes are funny aren't they. Scrolling through the pictures, my first thought was actually the front I could live with, not great by any stretch of the imagination, but okay. The side, meh. However, the rear vomit

simundo777

210 posts

192 months

Must be time for a facelift version....fingers crossed

JJJ.

4,126 posts

36 months

The headline figure remains the same, that's probably what counts even if it's only used once in blue moon.

plfrench

4,098 posts

289 months

It was only a few weeks ago when we were told by PH that the future of ICE was saved and the whole stupid EV transition would go away… if that’s the case, things aren’t off to a great start are they? If this is the result of what BMW have to do to a flagship performance model to get it through early stage Euro 7 requirements. M5s are smaller volume sellers, so by definition, their impact on fleet averages will be pretty minor - what chance is their for the higher volume models being combustion?

Dave Hedgehog

15,654 posts

225 months

plfrench said:
It was only a few weeks ago when we were told by PH that the future of ICE was saved and the whole stupid EV transition would go away if that s the case, things aren t off to a great start are they? If this is the result of what BMW have to do to a flagship performance model to get it through early stage Euro 7 requirements. M5s are smaller volume sellers, so by definition, their impact on fleet averages will be pretty minor - what chance is their for the higher volume models being combustion?
a none issue for me, i would rather take my NA V8 M5 with no DPF filters, no exhaust noise strangulation and no ADAS to a man and give him 60k to make it as new than buy one of these and lose 60k in depreciation

samoht

6,899 posts

167 months

plfrench said:
It was only a few weeks ago when we were told by PH that the future of ICE was saved and the whole stupid EV transition would go away if that s the case, things aren t off to a great start are they? If this is the result of what BMW have to do to a flagship performance model to get it through early stage Euro 7 requirements. M5s are smaller volume sellers, so by definition, their impact on fleet averages will be pretty minor - what chance is their for the higher volume models being combustion?
Euro 7 is a minimum standard every production car must meet (+) , relating to the absence of poisonous gases and particles in the exhaust, it's not to do with fleet averages.

CO2 is regulated on an averages basis, sell enough EVs and you can make a Revuelto.


(+) barring low-volume exceptions

dukebox9reg

1,680 posts

169 months

samoht said:
plfrench said:
It was only a few weeks ago when we were told by PH that the future of ICE was saved and the whole stupid EV transition would go away if that s the case, things aren t off to a great start are they? If this is the result of what BMW have to do to a flagship performance model to get it through early stage Euro 7 requirements. M5s are smaller volume sellers, so by definition, their impact on fleet averages will be pretty minor - what chance is their for the higher volume models being combustion?
Euro 7 is a minimum standard every production car must meet (+) , relating to the absence of poisonous gases and particles in the exhaust, it's not to do with fleet averages.

CO2 is regulated on an averages basis, sell enough EVs and you can make a Revuelto.


(+) barring low-volume exceptions
The Eu7 regs have been softened quite a lot since first proposal

dukebox9reg

1,680 posts

169 months

CrippsCorner said:
richinlondon said:
side profile is fine, back is okay, lovely colour....but ooh that face - bloody hell!
Tastes are funny aren't they. Scrolling through the pictures, my first thought was actually the front I could live with, not great by any stretch of the imagination, but okay. The side, meh. However, the rear vomit
I think the 5 series has lost its identity, quick glance, you cant tell the difference between a 1 series and 5 series from the front



Wills2

27,825 posts

196 months

My experience of modern BMW hybrids is that battery charge disappears quickly, so with that reduction in power you're left with a very heavy car with a pwr to weight ratio of an M5 from almost 3 decades ago, I'd just get a Taycan myself.




theicemario

1,488 posts

96 months

The blue paintwork is lovely. Looks so much nicer than the matte black ones I’ve seen.