RE: AMG confirms all-new C53 in product 'firework'
RE: AMG confirms all-new C53 in product 'firework'
Friday 6th February

AMG confirms all-new C53 in product 'firework'

CLE straight-six coming to saloon and wagon; auf wiedersehen to the 2.0-litre '43 and '63... 


Mercedes-AMG CEO Michael Schiebe has confirmed that the C-Class will earn the 3.0-litre mild-hybrid straight six from the CLE - the M256, to those who know your M156 from your M157 - to create a niche-filling C53. In a roundtable interview with PH, he said the coupe equivalent had been a success: “Our customers love this engine very much.” Which sounds eminently believable, given how fond we were of long-term exposure to the two-door. Schiebe added that the turbocharged engine would be “even more emotional than it used to be.”

Alongside the existing C43 and C63, having a C53 also would make for an awful lot of C-Class AMG options. But the 2.0-litre cars aren’t long for this world, either as standard combustion models or plug-in hybrids, because they can't meet Euro 7 standards. In truth, a 210hp-per-litre 2.0-litre turbo has done well to make it this far, and powering the smaller AMGs like the A-Class the M139 will be very fondly remembered. But as a replacement for the V8 in the C-Class it probably won’t enjoy quite the same legacy. Which is putting it politely. 

Still, AMG has seen sense eventually, and the promise of some straight-six swagger back in a C-Class (we’re going to assume both saloon and estate) is welcome. In the CLE, the 3.0-litre is 449hp strong, so expect a similar output for this new ‘53. Not quite to the 530hp of the M3, sure, but then hopefully not as expensive either. The same nine-speed auto and 4Matic all-wheel drive as the coupe will carry over. According to the boss, exterior design is the number one reason customers opt for an AMG over an alternative, so don’t be surprised if the new saloon packs the same sort of visual punch as the CLE.

The introduction of a C53 is part of a renewed commitment to petrol engines from AMG; Schiebe pointed to the new M177 Evo, the flat-plane crank 4.0-litre V8 that’s Euro7 safe and coming to the Mythos CLE, as additional proof of that. “We want to continue our combustion engine history and success”, he added. So expect to see more of that M256, in both mild hybrid and plug-in forms, going forward, alongside the V8, in what was called a “product firework”. So that means more Mythos special edition “brand shapers”, more SUVs (because people love them, they’re more than 50 per cent of AMG sales), more of everything basically. Even Black Series cars, in fact, which Schiebe suggested will “definitely live on in the future.” Excellent. If you thought the AMG portfolio was extensive already, you ain’t seen nothing yet. 

That includes EVs as well. The upcoming CLA AMG will be an “awesome, emotional car”, and the range of electric cars built on the AMG EA platform - the GT XX and equivalent SUV - will also now include a coupe variant of the latter. Because you just know there’ll be a Cayenne Electric Coupe before the year is out, so Mercedes will need a rival car. Schiebe described the AMG approach as “all-in” on electric, “in parallel with the ICE portfolio.” 

So plenty to look forward to from Affalterbach in the coming months and years, which perhaps hasn’t exactly been the case in recent times. The V8 isn’t going to be limited only to Mythos cars, AMG EVs will “feel like fast cars” (not just accelerate quickly), and there’s more coming on that incredible Track Sport car soon. In the meantime, who’s for money off a CLE 53


 

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Tubbycharged

Original Poster:

60 posts

157 months

I can't see them selling any C63 four-bangers now this is announced. Presumably it will come off sale very soon and will have been a total flop.

This straight six with the full hybrid e-motor has 577 bhp in the E53 ....

Night Owl

436 posts

4 months

"'We want to continue our combustion engine history and success,' he added."

We know, Michael. smile

steveo

2 posts

34 months

What happened to the AMG performance exhaust option on the CLE 53?…..

pSyCoSiS

4,108 posts

227 months

Good to hear they are bringing back the six cylinder.

The back end of the C Class looks a bit fussy - the lights seems a bit high on the waist line.

To me, the CLE 53 is one of the best resolved designs that Mercedes have in their current line up.

Fetchez la vache

5,873 posts

236 months

Tubbycharged said:
I can't see them selling any C63 four-bangers now this is announced. Presumably it will come off sale very soon and will have been a total flop.
Were many sold before this was announced? I've never seen one... not that I can't understand why

Sion111R

408 posts

114 months

Love a 6 cylinder Merc. This is good news,

nismo48

6,159 posts

229 months

Sion111R said:
Love a 6 cylinder Merc. This is good news,
+1

ZX10R NIN

29,917 posts

147 months

nismo48 said:
Sion111R said:
Love a 6 cylinder Merc. This is good news,
+1
+2

menousername

2,330 posts

164 months

Is there any real point to a mild hybrid? Genuine question.

On paper they do not seem to be particularly economic. And a 3L petrol can provide more than enough power particularly for a car like this.

Is it about legislation? Does it get around emissions in a way that would not be replicated in real-world driving?

flight147z

1,334 posts

151 months

menousername said:
Is there any real point to a mild hybrid? Genuine question.

On paper they do not seem to be particularly economic. And a 3L petrol can provide more than enough power particularly for a car like this.

Is it about legislation? Does it get around emissions in a way that would not be replicated in real-world driving?
From my experience of driving them you get a little more urgency off the line whilst the turbos spool up and I think stop start is more effective as stuff like Aircon has a bigger battery to run off

el romeral

1,889 posts

159 months

The CLE 53 looks amazing, save for the silly dark rear side windows. Refreshing to see normal cars are still being produced.

smilo996

3,552 posts

192 months

Saturday
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so the German car industry fossil lobby won out in Brussels. More fossils on the way. Not because that is the best way to go but because the sales environment is too difficult for the investment needed? And presumably because many customers are spoilt millennials and beyond
Mercs car design is a shambles, just a morass of ugly shapes.

AC43

13,218 posts

230 months

Saturday
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"According to the boss, exterior design is the number one reason customers opt for an AMG over an alternative, so don t be surprised if the new saloon packs the same sort of visual punch as the CLE."

Sigh. I bought my first AMG in 2003 precisely because it didn't shout about what was under the bonnet. I find it a bit sad that the term "aggressive" is used over and over by manufacturer's PR departments to describe everything from an AMG to a city runabout. So not what I aspire to. But people clearly want to "dominate the urban jungle" or whatever. Cringe.

On the very much positive side, though, it's fantastic to see the U turn on ICE and fantastic example of a modern ICE powerplant at that. I think the Merc I6 mild hybrid is a tremendous bit of kit and I was looking forward to them tricking down into the used car market at a price I'd be prepared to pay. I would have one in a (subtle-looking) Merc in a heartbeat. When they announced the engine a few years ago it sounded like the future to me - and it looks like it finally is. Let's see if I can find one with a subtle grille and maybe some chrome. And one without the red seatbelts and imax dash.

I'm so NOT in the target demographic.......

ZX10R NIN

29,917 posts

147 months

Saturday
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Now hopefully they'll bore & stroke the 3.0 out to 3.6 litres & make a proper AMG only engine like they did with the 6.2, whilst paying homage to their past.

bobthemonkey

4,162 posts

238 months

flight147z said:
From my experience of driving them you get a little more urgency off the line whilst the turbos spool up and I think stop start is more effective as stuff like Aircon has a bigger battery to run off
It can also simplify the design and packaging as you can move more of the ancillaries to being electrically driven, reducing parasitic losses from having belt driven accessories.

Mr Tidy

29,077 posts

149 months

I lost interest in Mercedes when they swapped the straight 6 to a V6 in the W202 C280.

Whereas BMW stayed true to the creamy straight 6 so I'm on numbers 5 and 6 of those.

GTRene

20,753 posts

246 months

Yesterday (01:17)
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Mr Tidy said:
I lost interest in Mercedes when they swapped the straight 6 to a V6 in the W202 C280.

Whereas BMW stayed true to the creamy straight 6 so I'm on numbers 5 and 6 of those.
I had many R6 (M and so on) BMW engines, loved them, but I guess a V6 is 'better' its shorter (specially when longitudinal mounted interesting) for weight balance?

also you can place the turbo's within the V of the V6 I believe, and I guess it makes a bit different sound?

The modern V6 are (I guess) way better then the old V6 cars, say Ford V6 3.0 , but just 150 or so ps.

for me, both types engine, with the same power, R6 vs V6 both longitudinal mounted, I rather would have a V6 up front then a R6 (I think, but I'm long out of modern cars so... not sure hehe )

rodericb

8,447 posts

148 months

Yesterday (07:58)
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smilo996 said:
so the German car industry fossil lobby won out in Brussels. More fossils on the way. Not because that is the best way to go but because the sales environment is too difficult for the investment needed? And presumably because many customers are spoilt millennials and beyond
Mercs car design is a shambles, just a morass of ugly shapes.
It's okay - they do have electric cars for you to buy.

Cryssys

783 posts

60 months

Yesterday (08:40)
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Currently have the 6 cylinder C43 and have been wondering what I might replace it with. Didn't fancy one of the newer 4 pots but this might be a possibility.

Trouble is it'll be out of my price range until it's 2-3 years old.

SweptVolume

1,161 posts

115 months

Yesterday (12:11)
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I keep speccing up a CLE 450 on the configurator. Same engine, in a more relaxing specification; it must be one of the last trad Mercedes cars you can still buy new. Remember when AMG was the brilliant, but obscure tuner brand and not the mainstream trim level?

For a sniff under £70k before discounts, this looks like a proper Merc. But I wonder how great a similar spec would be in a C Class estate? Power, practicality, refinement, comfort. They would hardly sell any of course, but it'd be one hell of a car.