Engine swap prices help please
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Hi all, new here so apologies if I’m posting in the wrong forum!
We have a fiat ducato 2.3 multijet F1AGL411D, we was driving 15 month ago, the engine started red lining, we had to dump the clutch to stall the engine and get recovered.
The mechanic intially worked on the turbo, before finding there was nothing wrong, then diagnosed it with a possible dropped valve.
Anyway, it took us months to find a new engine, we found one and we paid this ourselves, when it got delivered, it was the same engine but newer model, F1AGL4113. A few electrical parts were different on the turbo, the wiring loom, the exhaust outlet and the timing belt cover.
For the mechanic he had to strip parts from the old engine and the new engine and do the swap, then drop the new engine back in. The timing belt was slipping off, so we ordered 3 different timing belts, which turned out to be the water pump, so that was changed. The handbrake was ceasing so he freed that also, not changed anything.
We was expecting a bill of between £1500-£1800 labour. This is the invoice he gave us. We had already paid him £1000 at the start so this invoice is on top of the £1000.
Labour £1620.00
Timing belt tensioner £10.57
Gearbox oil £36.00
Power fluid & antifreeze £20
Total cost £1666.57 (plus the £1000 at the start) so basically £2666.57 total cost.
Can someone advice us if this sounds correct as it seems higher than what we was expecting. We have asked some other people and they have said it’s high.
Obviously there have been a few issues along the way, being the turbo, swapping parts, timing belt issues etc.
The mechanic has had the van on his premises for 15 months, however it did take us around 6 months to find the engine.
I appreciate any feedback!
Thank you!
We have a fiat ducato 2.3 multijet F1AGL411D, we was driving 15 month ago, the engine started red lining, we had to dump the clutch to stall the engine and get recovered.
The mechanic intially worked on the turbo, before finding there was nothing wrong, then diagnosed it with a possible dropped valve.
Anyway, it took us months to find a new engine, we found one and we paid this ourselves, when it got delivered, it was the same engine but newer model, F1AGL4113. A few electrical parts were different on the turbo, the wiring loom, the exhaust outlet and the timing belt cover.
For the mechanic he had to strip parts from the old engine and the new engine and do the swap, then drop the new engine back in. The timing belt was slipping off, so we ordered 3 different timing belts, which turned out to be the water pump, so that was changed. The handbrake was ceasing so he freed that also, not changed anything.
We was expecting a bill of between £1500-£1800 labour. This is the invoice he gave us. We had already paid him £1000 at the start so this invoice is on top of the £1000.
Labour £1620.00
Timing belt tensioner £10.57
Gearbox oil £36.00
Power fluid & antifreeze £20
Total cost £1666.57 (plus the £1000 at the start) so basically £2666.57 total cost.
Can someone advice us if this sounds correct as it seems higher than what we was expecting. We have asked some other people and they have said it’s high.
Obviously there have been a few issues along the way, being the turbo, swapping parts, timing belt issues etc.
The mechanic has had the van on his premises for 15 months, however it did take us around 6 months to find the engine.
I appreciate any feedback!
Thank you!
Where is the Labour for initial investigation?
Removal of old engine?
Timing belt and water pump part costs?
Disposal of old engine?
Handbrake work?
Cost to modify remove, test and ensure the old and new components both work as you bought the wrong engine.
At £80+VAT that’s only 27 hours work, seems perfectly reasonable to me.
I’d have been charging you storage and would have stopped all work when you bought the wrong engine.
Removal of old engine?
Timing belt and water pump part costs?
Disposal of old engine?
Handbrake work?
Cost to modify remove, test and ensure the old and new components both work as you bought the wrong engine.
At £80+VAT that’s only 27 hours work, seems perfectly reasonable to me.
I’d have been charging you storage and would have stopped all work when you bought the wrong engine.
A £1000 was paid up front, and all parts were paid for by me when they were needed. Then the extra money from the invoice.
The mechanic said that the engine that was initially bought he could make it work. The initial engine bought was ran by him prior to purchasing.
We got the second engine within 3 weeks of the first one. He’s had the new engine for 8 months.
As for the storage, it was actually on our friends land next door to the mechanics, however it was only stored for the time it took us to find a new engine, the rest of time it was with the mechanic, jumping on it between jobs.
I appreciate your feedback.
The mechanic said that the engine that was initially bought he could make it work. The initial engine bought was ran by him prior to purchasing.
We got the second engine within 3 weeks of the first one. He’s had the new engine for 8 months.
As for the storage, it was actually on our friends land next door to the mechanics, however it was only stored for the time it took us to find a new engine, the rest of time it was with the mechanic, jumping on it between jobs.
I appreciate your feedback.
nburton90 said:
A £1000 was paid up front, and all parts were paid for by me when they were needed. Then the extra money from the invoice.
The mechanic said that the engine that was initially bought he could make it work. The initial engine bought was ran by him prior to purchasing.
We got the second engine within 3 weeks of the first one. He s had the new engine for 8 months.
As for the storage, it was actually on our friends land next door to the mechanics, however it was only stored for the time it took us to find a new engine, the rest of time it was with the mechanic, jumping on it between jobs.
I appreciate your feedback.
We're there two replacement engines? I didn't notice that in your initial post.The mechanic said that the engine that was initially bought he could make it work. The initial engine bought was ran by him prior to purchasing.
We got the second engine within 3 weeks of the first one. He s had the new engine for 8 months.
As for the storage, it was actually on our friends land next door to the mechanics, however it was only stored for the time it took us to find a new engine, the rest of time it was with the mechanic, jumping on it between jobs.
I appreciate your feedback.
We bought one from an engine company which should of been F1AGL411D, however they sent the wrong engine, we sent that back and got another engine, this was the F1AGL4113, again also incorrect however under the advice of the mechanic stating he could adapt this engine to make it work and online stating he would just have to programme this.
The van was stored on someone else’s land until we got the engine, we asked for the engine to be done as soon as possible. The only reason the van was there for that long is because he didn’t get round to do it. He had the engine since last summer.
Realistically what I would like to know is £2666 a fair price for an engine swap with a few changes? We bought the engine and paid for all the parts upfront as and when needed.
Online states around 12 hours work for an engine swap, plus obviously the added bits. The turbo was misdiagnosed so that’s half a day however does that cost fall to us?
Realistically what I would like to know is £2666 a fair price for an engine swap with a few changes? We bought the engine and paid for all the parts upfront as and when needed.
Online states around 12 hours work for an engine swap, plus obviously the added bits. The turbo was misdiagnosed so that’s half a day however does that cost fall to us?
tload of work, and very time consuming, I would say it's in the ballpark. nburton90 said:
The van was stored on someone else s land until we got the engine, we asked for the engine to be done as soon as possible. The only reason the van was there for that long is because he didn t get round to do it. He had the engine since last summer.
Realistically what I would like to know is £2666 a fair price for an engine swap with a few changes? We bought the engine and paid for all the parts upfront as and when needed.
Online states around 12 hours work for an engine swap, plus obviously the added bits. The turbo was misdiagnosed so that s half a day however does that cost fall to us?
I think that's a fair price for an engine swap. It's not just the in/out part, getting to to, sorting the ancillaries, etc.Realistically what I would like to know is £2666 a fair price for an engine swap with a few changes? We bought the engine and paid for all the parts upfront as and when needed.
Online states around 12 hours work for an engine swap, plus obviously the added bits. The turbo was misdiagnosed so that s half a day however does that cost fall to us?
Sorry it's more than you expected, but I think it's in the ballpark.
bearman68 said:
I change engines fairly frequently. A day to remove, a day to swap parts, a day to replace and a day to check and make sure everything is running properly.
So when he says he spend 7 straight days, I can quite appreciate that was the case.
TL:DR - Looks OK to me.
Agreed, they always take longer than you think to dick about swapping ancillaries, brackets, wiring etc.So when he says he spend 7 straight days, I can quite appreciate that was the case.
TL:DR - Looks OK to me.
vaud said:
Seems reasonable - a lot of mechanics would avoid this kind of job in my experience.
Also it looks like the belt and bits were approx trade prices without markup?
I thought that, he’s reasonable with the parts, also some will charge additional for consumables, grease, cable ties, hose clips etc.Also it looks like the belt and bits were approx trade prices without markup?
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