RE: Porsche plots flagship sports car above 911
RE: Porsche plots flagship sports car above 911
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Porsche mulls flagship sports car above 911

Michael Leiters' Strategy 2035 aims to get Porsche back to proper profitability - fast 


It would be fair to call 2025 an annus horribilis for Porsche. Even the company itself called it ‘challenging’, and for a long time it felt that Porsche was the gold standard that all aspired to. But thanks to what it terms ‘extraordinary burdens’ - tariffs, China’s decline, a cooling of EV demand - it really struggled through 2025. The numbers are staggering: while sales weren’t drastically different at 36.27 billion euros (40.08 in 2024), profit plummeted from €5.64bn to €413m. It really is hard to get your head around more than five billion euros less profit from one year to the next; fortunately there are people to keep track of these things…

Porsche speaks of ‘extraordinary expenses’ of approximately 3.9 billion euros, which is clearly the bulk of that loss. It suggests that around 700 million is from tariffs, another 700 million is from ‘battery activities’, while the majority - 2.4 billion euros - is from ‘realignment of the product strategy and the rescaling of the company.’ So moves like making the SUV above the Cayenne a hybrid instead of electric, and reengineering the upcoming 718 EVs to take combustion power also. They’re hugely expensive undertakings, which obviously now must pay off. Because a company used to billions of euros of profit won’t go drastically unchanged with ‘just’ hundreds of millions for long, however much streamlining is done. 

Step forward, then, new CEO Michael Leiters’ Strategy 2035. Announced at the company’s annual press conference, he’s promising a repositioning of Porsche to make it “leaner, faster and the products even more desirable.” So it means lots of businessy things like cutting back on bureaucracy and reducing hierarchies in the company, but also some new Porsches. ‘Value over Volume’ will be the important phrase going forward, making more money off each car sold rather than aiming for record numbers. (In 2025 the operating return on sales was 1.1 per cent, against 14.1 the year before.) So more special editions seems likely - ‘emotive new derivatives’ are coming this year - but also models that take Porsche into markets it hasn’t yet been part of. 

“We are considering the expansion of our product portfolio in order to grow in higher-margin segments”, explained Leiters. So there’s the car above the Cayenne on planet SUV that’s been mentioned before (presumably with Bentley Bentayga and Range Rover levels of swag), plus what the boss called a derivative “above our current two-door sports cars”. While only said to be considering for the moment, it would seem strange to share a product plan that doesn’t have at least some viability to it. Remember, too, Leiters has previously worked with both McLaren and Ferrari; the latter in particular are probably the best around at making the most money from each unit sold. 

Think how much more expensive the latest hypercars have become, too. Obviously that doesn’t automatically equate to more profit, but when a Lamborghini Revuelto costs almost twice as much as its Aventador predecessor (and the Aston Martin flagship has moved well beyond £300,000), there is some room to grow into for Porsche that didn’t exist that long ago. Somewhere above a Turbo S or GT2 but beneath the limited edition cars like the 918 Spyder, basically. It’s said that a ‘high net liquidity and a healthy balance sheet’ means Porsche has the ‘flexibility and resilience for the tasks ahead’. The exact plans for Strategy 2035 can be seen through, it would seem, rather than simply mooted and then scrapped on the boardroom floor. Porsche doesn’t tend to delay on strategy decisions, either. All that’s left to do now is wait and see exactly what a higher margin Porsche sports car looks like. 

Leiters concluded: “With Strategy 2035, we want to lay the foundations for sustainably strong cash flow, strong results and margins that are appropriate for Porsche." It’s going to be a busy few years for all involved, that seems certain. Can a dire situation be turned around? 


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samoht

Original Poster:

6,966 posts

169 months


Well obviously, to position the new car above the 911 it will need to be mid-engined, with a carbon tub. And it should obviously be a 'performance hybrid'. And yeah, I know, boxer heritage, but have you considered the benefits of a compromise layout with the cylinders in 120 degree vee? Have a look at this... oh no ignore that swoosh mark, that's not relevant...

daveco

4,352 posts

230 months

I'm assuming this flagship will share 90% of its components with the 911, as they've made such a song and dance about profitability.

I don't think it's going to be another Carrera GT hehe


Night Owl

574 posts

5 months

samoht said:
Well obviously, to position the new car above the 911 it will need to be mid-engined, with a carbon tub. And it should obviously be a 'performance hybrid'. And yeah, I know, boxer heritage, but have you considered the benefits of a compromise layout with the cylinders in 120 degree vee? Have a look at this... oh no ignore that swoosh mark, that's not relevant...
Mid-engined yes. Not so sure about hybrid. Porsche profits are down by 98% (reported yesterday), and massive VAG layoffs (50k) are incoming as a result of what they have done recently.

I'd say the engine will be a petrol for a car like this, but I think the auto industry here is marked long-term total destruction by those outside of the actual companies. Will be interesting to see if Porsche mgmt. finds its balls.

nismo48

6,273 posts

230 months

How about a radical new "928" to top their line up scratchchin

DMZ

2,015 posts

183 months

They have made some pretty decent attempts at supercars in the past, even if they didn't fly off the shelves exactly. But sure monetise the K shaped economy and what not. And it will be interesting to see what they have come up with. More interesting than their EVs anyhow.

AmazingGrace

239 posts

27 months

Just buy singer?

dinkel

27,604 posts

281 months

Why not think about a high-volume '924' based on the 718?

Not above, but at the bottom of all current propositions?

MountainsofSussex

378 posts

209 months

nismo48 said:
How about a radical new "928" to top their line up scratchchin
I was certainly thinking along the same lines - a cut down powered up Panamera to go hunting Aston Martin, Ferrari, etc. Probably easier than a ground up mid engine super/hyper car

RandomCarChat

1,143 posts

70 months

I'd love them to create a new generation 904/6. With a carbon tub and all the oily bits from the 911 parts bin. Could even go mad and use the 4.0 V8 for a limited run 904/8 variant.

Something like this

Peterpetrole

1,472 posts

20 months

RandomCarChat said:
I'd love them to create a new generation 904/6. With a carbon tub and all the oily bits from the 911 parts bin. Could even go mad and use the 4.0 V8 for a limited run 904/8 variant.

Something like this
Would be turned into this unfortunately, not an improvement:


kambites

70,720 posts

244 months

A supercar priced above the 911 GT2 but not in the hypercar price bracket, sounds like they would be aiming straight at whatever the V12 Lamborghini is called today? I wonder if they'll borrow that platform and drivetrain.

mainaman

426 posts

208 months

It seems that they are making noises about a supercar above 911 every ten years, the last one was codenamed 960 and it was going to fight the Ferrari 458, use the 911 Turbo engine and it would be based on Mimo(“mittelmotor”)/a MSB-M platform(modular sport car matrix, mid-engined version). The profitability and parts sharing was that the new 911 would be based on a MSB-H(“heckmotor”, rear engined) and this modular platform would underpin all mid-engined cars in the VAG group, from the stillborn VW Bluemotion to the Aventador!

I would be surprised if the Temerario’s platform doesn’t underpin the next R8 and the rumoured Porsche supercar. They can also easily make a new 928 on the MSB platform.

PRO5T

6,916 posts

48 months

AmazingGrace said:
Just buy singer?
Aren't Singer burning through cash?

CronxDriveBy

36 posts

136 months

The last few years have been a weird wobble for Porsche after nearly two decades of near-perfect execution. 718 and 911 have done enormously well considering their total segment sizes, Panamera, Macan and Cayenne delivered solid sales & margin, and Taycan delivered innovation (and no small volume, at least in the early years.)

The 718 EV pivot hasn't paid off (although the R+D won't be "lost" and could be reactivated later.) Taycan residual values plummeted after they over-supplied and the first tranche of business buyers moved on. There's been no true halo road product since 918, which was over a decade ago. 911 has become a mess of options lists, increasingly niche special editions and esoteric versions - all of which are great cars in isolation, but messy from a product line up POV.

Merging Panamera and Taycan makes sense from a rationalisation POV - offer every possible drive train under one name and reduce costs. 911 needs similar rationalisation in the range to help the Special Editions cut through and support pricing.

And the big one, Porsche needs to get back into the Supercar-Plus space (although maybe not as extreme as something like Valkyrie) - both for revenue and brand reasons - after the limited success of the 963 program. A new 918? A reborn Carrera GT? Reuse the now redundant V8 powertrain from the 963 WEC car? Doesn't matter - just build it and bring back the buzz around the brand.



Edited by CronxDriveBy on Wednesday 11th March 13:17

86wasagoodyear

864 posts

119 months

mainaman said:
It seems that they are making noises about a supercar above 911 every ten years, the last one was codenamed 960 and it was going to fight the Ferrari 458, use the 911 Turbo engine and it would be based on Mimo( mittelmotor )/a MSB-M platform(modular sport car matrix, mid-engined version). The profitability and parts sharing was that the new 911 would be based on a MSB-H( heckmotor , rear engined) and this modular platform would underpin all mid-engined cars in the VAG group, from the stillborn VW Bluemotion to the Aventador!

I would be surprised if the Temerario s platform doesn t underpin the next R8 and the rumoured Porsche supercar. They can also easily make a new 928 on the MSB platform.
960 was my first thought here too. Still don't understand why they didn't just do it back then. Can't imagine it would've been rubbish.

Love the thought above of a modern-day 904 / 906. Gordon Murray has basically done that - beautifully - with the T.33. I bet a similar sort of Porsche with 6 or 8 cylinders would be brilliant too.

Panamax

8,164 posts

57 months

CronxDriveBy said:
And the big one, Porsche needs to get back into the Supercar-Plus space
Since they've never been in that space I don't see how they can get "back into it". Neither do I see how such a product will find customers who must be persuaded to walk past the established supercar brands.

They launched Cayster and Macan for good reasons and both were key elements of a real world product offering for customers wanting cars that drive well and aren't ridiculously expensive.

Panamax

8,164 posts

57 months

See also Lotus Evija which has IMO turned out to be an irrelevant waste of time.

S600BSB

7,394 posts

129 months

daveco said:
I'm assuming this flagship will share 90% of its components with the 911, as they've made such a song and dance about profitability.

I don't think it's going to be another Carrera GT hehe
I wish!

ManyMotors

1,007 posts

121 months

mainaman said:
It seems that they are making noises about a supercar above 911 every ten years, the last one was codenamed 960 and it was going to fight the Ferrari 458, use the 911 Turbo engine and it would be based on Mimo( mittelmotor )/a MSB-M platform(modular sport car matrix, mid-engined version). The profitability and parts sharing was that the new 911 would be based on a MSB-H( heckmotor , rear engined) and this modular platform would underpin all mid-engined cars in the VAG group, from the stillborn VW Bluemotion to the Aventador!

I would be surprised if the Temerario s platform doesn t underpin the next R8 and the rumoured Porsche supercar. They can also easily make a new 928 on the MSB platform.
This is searchable and comes up in Motor Trend of January 22,2013. The 960 was supposed to be a flat eight with quad turbochargers and was known internally as FEFI (Ferrari fighter). At least one dealer took a deposit for the car. However, in 2014, Dieselgate began and VW backed off on the 960's development. I think Mike Leiters can bring the idea back though may not have enough capital right now to follow through.

s2000db

1,353 posts

176 months

I wonder if it s crossed Porsche s mind that some of their products are now too expensive!

Coupled with parts and servicing that are now simply horrific, I suspect that selling a few thousand highly expensive supercars won t solve their issues.

I wonder if Porsche can explain, for instance, why it costs 5 times as much as a BMW for a 2 year service?

I love Porsche but paying through the nose for a mass produced car and its upkeep is starting to grate imo..