RE: New Fiat 600 Petrol hits nail on the head
RE: New Fiat 600 Petrol hits nail on the head
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New Fiat 600 Petrol hits nail on the head

100hp and a six-speed manual back in a small Fiat? It's the mid-2000s all over again...


Having been introduced with hybrid and electric power, the Fiat 600 is now available with a combustion engine. It must be the first time that a model line up has had the purely petrol model added last, but such are the strange times we live in (when the response to faltering EV sales has the word 'Petrol' front and centre). This new model is said to represent its maker’s ‘commitment to offering accessible mobility for all, with solutions that adapt to different lifestyles and expectations’. For ‘accessible’ you can obviously read ‘affordable’; a car with just an engine still cheaper to manufacture than one with batteries. A 600 Hybrid starts at £25,750, for example. 

We’d expect the new 600 Petrol, with its Turbo 100 engine - the new 1.2 triple with a chain instead of a belt, uprated turbo and new pistons - and six-speed manual to cost less than that. Fiat suggests this new version is for customers ‘who enjoy a simple, direct and engaging driving experience’, with a manual gearbox that ‘delivers a more intuitive and connected driving feel, in line with Fiat’s tradition of honest, human?centred mobility.’ We all certainly have a few stories of driving small, uncomplicated Italian cars a little faster than is wise; if that era is being resurrected with 600 Petrol, then you're welcome for the Friday feeling.  

The 100hp engine will launch with the edition you see here, the 600 Street. Just 2,000 will be made, all in this black and white specification, which Fiat says ‘gives the new powertrain a bolt, expressive and unmistakably urban identity.’ As a small hatch, the move to launch the 600 with electrified powertrains appeared to make sense, but clearly it hasn’t chimed with buyers at the volume Fiat was hoping for. Officially the EV does more than 250 miles and costs less than £30k in all its variants. It’s the humble 1.2, however, that’s now tasked with rejuvenating the 600’s fortunes.

While price and availability for the 600 Petrol hasn’t been released just yet, the UK would likely be a key market. Particularly given that BEVs are doing no more in private sales than on the continent, and the 600e is hardly one for fleet customers. Expect the new 1.2 to be on sale later in 2026. And then we can talk about getting this engine into a Panda, for the oft-mooted return of the 100HP...


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EV8

Original Poster:

458 posts

26 months

Yesterday (10:49)
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"faltering EV sales"

EV sales have grown 21% compared to last year (Europe).
How on earth is this faltering?
If you make crappy overpriced cars, then yes, your sales will be faltering.

RedLightGreenLight

117 posts

47 months

Yesterday (11:21)
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Excellent to see this, more manufacturers need to take note and give the consumers more choice. Not just pure EV/BEV.


EyeHeartSpellin

703 posts

106 months

Yesterday (11:28)
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It does feel like a car such as this is more likely to still be on the road in 10 to 15 years than the equivalent Hybrid or Electric. Weight, cost, complexity all lower.

_Rodders_

1,055 posts

42 months

Yesterday (11:29)
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Faltering EV sales = increased sales and market share.

Make it make sense.

andrewpandrew

2,414 posts

12 months

Yesterday (11:29)
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Neighbour has one of these (not sure of powertrain), and it looks massive. Guessing a Mini Countryman competitor?

jonosterman

100 posts

115 months

Yesterday (11:31)
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EyeHeartSpellin said:
It does feel like a car such as this is more likely to still be on the road in 10 to 15 years than the equivalent Hybrid or Electric. Weight, cost, complexity all lower.
I'll give you the point on hybrids, but is a modern ICE car any less complicated than a BEV? I'd have thought it was the other way around surely?

_Rodders_

1,055 posts

42 months

Yesterday (11:33)
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How is it less complex than a battery and a motor with 1 moving part?

I also wonder how much heavier this is than the original Panda 100HP that's mentioned in the article. 20 years ago and for about £10k that was a good deal.

The same spec today for £25k seems a bit of a joke.

andrewpandrew

2,414 posts

12 months

Yesterday (11:35)
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EyeHeartSpellin said:
It does feel like a car such as this is more likely to still be on the road in 10 to 15 years than the equivalent Hybrid or Electric. Weight, cost, complexity all lower.
Yes, engines are famously uncomplicated things hehe

The Chevalier de Recci

181 posts

168 months

Yesterday (11:38)
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I’ve got an EV but it’s because I wanted it. I object to being told and legislated to buy one.

Manufacturers should now be left to develop what they see the market demanding. Electric power trains are now developed enough to stand or fall on their comparative merits. For some they will suit for others ICE will remain the better choice.

This Fiat looks a worthy offering if the price is right. Perhaps a little plump looking but I suspect bolder colours will flatter it more.

Harry H

3,688 posts

179 months

Yesterday (11:43)
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Proper holiday rental. Just the ticket.

andrewpandrew

2,414 posts

12 months

Yesterday (11:44)
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The Chevalier de Recci said:
I ve got an EV but it s because I wanted it. I object to being told and legislated to buy one.

Manufacturers should now be left to develop what they see the market demanding. Electric power trains are now developed enough to stand or fall on their comparative merits.
It's very much chicken and egg though. For lots the stumbling block is infrastructure, so they hold off making the move and demand better charging provision. But investment in the infrastructure only happens with cars on the road and people making the investment viable by using said infrastructure. This is why letting the market decide will never work.

jonosterman

100 posts

115 months

Yesterday (11:49)
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The Chevalier de Recci said:
I ve got an EV but it s because I wanted it. I object to being told and legislated to buy one.

Manufacturers should now be left to develop what they see the market demanding. Electric power trains are now developed enough to stand or fall on their comparative merits. For some they will suit for others ICE will remain the better choice.

This Fiat looks a worthy offering if the price is right. Perhaps a little plump looking but I suspect bolder colours will flatter it more.
Letting the market decide only works when the market is pricing all the cost and with cars, it clearly isn’t.

The environmental and health costs of ICE don’t show up fully in the sticker price or the fuel bill. Instead they’re just pushed onto everyone else (air quality, NHS burden, climate effects, etc).

Government intervention here isn’t about forcing a preference, it’s about correcting a distorted market. Without it, you’re not getting a neutral outcome you’re actually getting one that effectively subsidises ICE, i.e. with everyone BUT the manufacturer bearing those external costs.

If EVs genuinely stand on their own merits, they’ll win anyway. If they don’t, but they still impose fewer external costs, then waiting for ‘the market’ just means delaying the correction while the hidden bill keeps growing.

SDK

2,892 posts

276 months

Yesterday (11:49)
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EV8 said:
"faltering EV sales"
This comment is based on two months (Jan & Feb) where EV sales didn't significantly increase when compared to the same two months the previous year.


/shrug


It's data to cling onto and get the hard of thinking frothing at the click-bait surrounding it.
Next step : comparing daily sales to the previous year

Anyway, I promised myself not to get drawn into this EV vs petrol & diesel sales banter !

getmecoat



Edited by SDK on Friday 20th March 11:57

V12GT

589 posts

113 months

Yesterday (11:54)
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andrewpandrew said:
The Chevalier de Recci said:
I ve got an EV but it s because I wanted it. I object to being told and legislated to buy one.

Manufacturers should now be left to develop what they see the market demanding. Electric power trains are now developed enough to stand or fall on their comparative merits.
It's very much chicken and egg though. For lots the stumbling block is infrastructure, so they hold off making the move and demand better charging provision. But investment in the infrastructure only happens with cars on the road and people making the investment viable by using said infrastructure. This is why letting the market decide will never work.
I’m definitely in the “let the market decide” camp. There is now considerable investment into EV charging stations, so I’m not sure that argument works any more.

For those who want an EV, let them buy one. I think EVs make sense as small, cheap city cars (think Dacia Spring), rather than massive SUVs (which don’t often make sense for anyone). Then provide more on street charging.

As an owner of 3 Fiats, I’m glad this 600 petrol exists, but it’s still quite ugly. Put the engine into the Panda or 500 please.

fantheman80

2,408 posts

72 months

Yesterday (11:56)
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Stelantis has this for the corsa - cant understand why they don't do a modern SXi. Show but limited go. Or stick it in a 500, call it the 'Abarth Line' if you want, add bodykit, red calipers, add as many driver aids to get the insurance down, sell to the Yoof and count money as there is a gaping wide hole at the moment where the fiesta st line and corsa sxi used to sit

robsprocket

128 posts

201 months

Yesterday (11:59)
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_Rodders_ said:
Faltering EV sales = increased sales and market share.

Make it make sense.
Forcing buyers to switch to EV's by banning and taxing the opposition out of existence hardly screams raging success to me. Why are so many manufacturers reversing course?

MyV10BarksAndBites

1,674 posts

72 months

Yesterday (12:02)
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_Rodders_ said:
Faltering EV sales = increased sales and market share.

Make it make sense.
This really gets you EV people highly emotional... biglaughbiglaughbiglaughbeer

RustyNissanPrairie

522 posts

18 months

Yesterday (12:04)
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What an unremarkable amorphous blob!
And for >£25k!!!!

Id rather have a Chinese EV for better performance / value

Oberheim

562 posts

14 months

Yesterday (12:13)
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With the turbo it will probably feel quicker than my 18-year-old Fiat 500 1.4 Sport, which also has 100HP and a 6-speed manual. Doubt it will be as fun to drive though with its extra weight and less revvy engine.

Credit to Fiat for introducing this variant of the 600 small family car; there's no longer a wide range of new car options in this segment for people who don't want, or can't home-charge, an EV.

andrewpandrew

2,414 posts

12 months

Yesterday (12:20)
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V12GT said:
I'm definitely in the "let the market decide" camp. There is now considerable investment into EV charging stations, so I"m not sure that argument works any more.
Well it's certainly an argument that's trotted out on this website on a daily basis, so it's clearly holding some people back from considering one.