Car Tax - seemingly optional
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Went to see some family in Ealing today and it appears the DVLA/ enforcement of some kind had done a sweep of the local streets checking taxed cars.
I counted 8 cars clamped with tax letters left on them just within a couple 100m extent, about 1 in 10/15 cars were caught!
Just a lucky/targeted area or do we think there are a large amount of people who don’t tax and just risk it?
I counted 8 cars clamped with tax letters left on them just within a couple 100m extent, about 1 in 10/15 cars were caught!
Just a lucky/targeted area or do we think there are a large amount of people who don’t tax and just risk it?
Isn't it about 1 in 4 cars are uninsured?
The numbers of cars that are either uninsured, incorrectly taxed, no MOT or in an unroadworthy condition probably outweighs the rest. Certainly in the millions.
I know someone that has been driving for more than 50 years. Never took a driving test, not once been pulled over.
The numbers of cars that are either uninsured, incorrectly taxed, no MOT or in an unroadworthy condition probably outweighs the rest. Certainly in the millions.
I know someone that has been driving for more than 50 years. Never took a driving test, not once been pulled over.
sixor8 said:
If a car is 'untaxed,' it has to be in the hands of a trader. Or not been taxed since 1998, when SORN was invented!
But declaring a car as SORN, and carrying on using it, is more likely.
Surely the most likely circumstance is that the tax expired and just hasn't been renewed.But declaring a car as SORN, and carrying on using it, is more likely.
I think a proportion of car tax evasion is inadvertent and these people don't think or behave in the same manner as PH folk.
People barely think a week ahead when the car tax/VED runs out, they hastily arrange a MOT which fails and they need repairs or parts or there is a lead time on garage slots. Then it's the time of the month when they are out of cash, so they need to chance it and leave it.
People barely think a week ahead when the car tax/VED runs out, they hastily arrange a MOT which fails and they need repairs or parts or there is a lead time on garage slots. Then it's the time of the month when they are out of cash, so they need to chance it and leave it.
This was pulled by the Police last year, no tax, MOT, insurance or licence, it had been like that for a number of years according to the Policeman.
Travelled to a less salubrious area of my town last week, I was quite taken back with the amount of DVLA clamps, we get the odd 1 or 2 where I live, however where I visited there were loads.
Travelled to a less salubrious area of my town last week, I was quite taken back with the amount of DVLA clamps, we get the odd 1 or 2 where I live, however where I visited there were loads.
Edited by HTP99 on Monday 23 March 07:53
vikingaero said:
I think a proportion of car tax evasion is inadvertent and these people don't think or behave in the same manner as PH folk.
People barely think a week ahead when the car tax/VED runs out, they hastily arrange a MOT which fails and they need repairs or parts or there is a lead time on garage slots. Then it's the time of the month when they are out of cash, so they need to chance it and leave it.
I'm erring this way. People barely think a week ahead when the car tax/VED runs out, they hastily arrange a MOT which fails and they need repairs or parts or there is a lead time on garage slots. Then it's the time of the month when they are out of cash, so they need to chance it and leave it.
I'm sure there are deliberate VED avoidance types, but most are just numpties.
If you posed that question on a typical facebook group the innits would be out in force saying it's because it's too expensive and they need their car to take jayden/hayden/braxxxton-hicks to appointments.
My response would be that is yes it is expensive, but if you can't afford it you ultimately can't afford to run a car! As harsh as that may sound.
My response would be that is yes it is expensive, but if you can't afford it you ultimately can't afford to run a car! As harsh as that may sound.
It shouldn't be too hard to get ANPR to check everything that passes and to generate a s
t list of vehicles that haven't changed their faulty status in two months.
To miss an expired MOT, tax or insurance deadline is reasonably common I suspect, but for it still not to have been rectified two months later is indicative of deliberate avoidance imho.
t list of vehicles that haven't changed their faulty status in two months.To miss an expired MOT, tax or insurance deadline is reasonably common I suspect, but for it still not to have been rectified two months later is indicative of deliberate avoidance imho.
POIDH said:
vikingaero said:
I think a proportion of car tax evasion is inadvertent and these people don't think or behave in the same manner as PH folk.
People barely think a week ahead when the car tax/VED runs out, they hastily arrange a MOT which fails and they need repairs or parts or there is a lead time on garage slots. Then it's the time of the month when they are out of cash, so they need to chance it and leave it.
I'm erring this way. People barely think a week ahead when the car tax/VED runs out, they hastily arrange a MOT which fails and they need repairs or parts or there is a lead time on garage slots. Then it's the time of the month when they are out of cash, so they need to chance it and leave it.
I'm sure there are deliberate VED avoidance types, but most are just numpties.
_Rodders_ said:
I know someone that has been driving for more than 50 years. Never took a driving test, not once been pulled over.
That reminds me of an article about Suzi Quattro. She's been in the UK on and off for over 50 years but a USA licence is only valid for 12 months. Having discovered this, she took a UK driving test, and passed, at 75 years old! So she must never have been pulled for speeding in all that time. Buying insurance, giving a licence number is still voluntary. Penny Whistle said:
An acquaintance of mine was done for no tax because the rate for her car was zero, which led her to assume she didn't need to apply.
Not a silly assumption in my opinion, although she mush have ignored/not read the reminder letter. I was surprised to receive a demand to 'tax' my Aygo when there was actually nothing to pay. I suppose it makes sense to log whether a car is on the road or SORN.Since then the rates have changed and I get to pay £30 or whatever it is.
shalmaneser said:
POIDH said:
vikingaero said:
I think a proportion of car tax evasion is inadvertent and these people don't think or behave in the same manner as PH folk.
People barely think a week ahead when the car tax/VED runs out, they hastily arrange a MOT which fails and they need repairs or parts or there is a lead time on garage slots. Then it's the time of the month when they are out of cash, so they need to chance it and leave it.
I'm erring this way. People barely think a week ahead when the car tax/VED runs out, they hastily arrange a MOT which fails and they need repairs or parts or there is a lead time on garage slots. Then it's the time of the month when they are out of cash, so they need to chance it and leave it.
I'm sure there are deliberate VED avoidance types, but most are just numpties.
Me: Erm, sorry I don't watch TV.
Colleague: What? What do you do in the evening?
Me: Gardening, cleaning cars, caving trips, watch YouTube
Colleague: That's so weird that you don't watch TV!
Think there is a huge amount of general ignorance around.
Sold a car a few weeks ago, buyer came to collect it with his private plates tucked under his arm.
Asked him what he was doing - "Putting my private plate on mate"
He had no idea he needed to notify DVLA and he could not do it until he had received the new V5 following transfer of ownership.
Apparently he always did this - this was a seemingly decently intelligent middle aged bloke
Sold a car a few weeks ago, buyer came to collect it with his private plates tucked under his arm.
Asked him what he was doing - "Putting my private plate on mate"
He had no idea he needed to notify DVLA and he could not do it until he had received the new V5 following transfer of ownership.
Apparently he always did this - this was a seemingly decently intelligent middle aged bloke
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