Government consultation on in use vehicle emissions

[stinkyspanner]

Has anyone come across this yet?
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/in-use...
Looks like the latest nonsense from our 'light touch' labour government, which could have serious implications for petrol heads, and people who run old cars as dailies

[plfrench]

If it helps to get rid of the absolute plague that is Dirsel cars with DPF deletes and / or dodgy remaps and the resulting filth that is spewed from the exhaust then I’m all for it.

[Blue_star]

Im pretty sure preventing fraud is part of the job of a government whether light touch or not.

The amount of vans spewing st on the road is unacceptable.

This being said its another way to make vehicles more expensive. This being said - used vehicles in UK are very cheap relative to other countries

Also I am a bit worried about illegality of “using” vehicles. What if previous owner was messing about? Do we need new mot at each sale? Or does it matter if we all move to electric within 15 years?

I suspect I would personally be screwed btw

[768]

Surely most people are getting DPF deletes because it's crap engineering which keeps resulting in breakdowns and that no garage seems to want to go near.

But instead of questioning why the technology is crap or doing anything about the manufacturers producing cars that only last 5 years or 60k miles we're going to go after the consumer's wallet, again.

[Tim Cognito]

Ooof, the amount of diesels running around with egr and dpf removed and mapped out is huge. And the cost of reverting to standard will not be cheap. Around £2000 I would guess on average?

[Mastodon2]

Doesn't sound like a bad thing, if it gets rid of stinking old bangers that go around blasting out horrible soot clouds.

[ARH]

My MOT tester told me that VOSA were investigating ways to to find out if the car has been mapped, or had deletes via the OBD port during MOT's. How true this is I don't know, but the OBD is already used during emissions tests, so probably easy to do.

[kambites]

Sounds like a good thing to me in the face of it. I have absolutely no time for people who drive around with broken or removed emissions control devices.

[Tracklover]

Good. ICE needs to go.

[AlexGSi2000]

Looks like its time for me to purchase an old Peugeot 406 to last me until the end of my days

[ashenfie]

"The proposals aim to ensure that road vehicles continue to meet the same legal emissions requirements that applied when they were built and first registered for use on the roads."
So I can now can get a DPF deleted and a decat to meet the 1950s standards?

[J4CKO]

I can see why people do it, but it does need to be clamped down on, when you see some stbox Fabia VRS or similar emitting a massive plume of black st then that shouldn't be on the road.

Ten years with the dwindling diesel passenger car sales, legislation like this and EV's getting better, I think they will end up a rare sight in 2036,

And who would really want to drive an old Peugeot 406 for the rest of their lives ? they were alright but you can now get a Model 3 for £300 a month, pay virtually nothing to charge it and have modern features, not least 280 bhp vs 110 bhp plus they will do 350 miles on a charge.

I have a diesel Jaguar XJ and love how it drives but it is a relic now, I imagine it will end up scrapped whilst still looking pretty much like new due to some engine or emissions issue.

[_Rodders_]

768 said:

Surely most people are getting DPF deletes because it's crap engineering which keeps resulting in breakdowns and that no garage seems to want to go near.

But instead of questioning why the technology is crap or doing anything about the manufacturers producing cars that only last 5 years or 60k miles we're going to go after the consumer's wallet, again.

Or it's absolutely fine engineering for the first 100k and 10 years and then the person who bought the car for £3k chokes on the £1500 cost of a new filter so doesn't do it.

[mwstewart]

ashenfie said:

"The proposals aim to ensure that road vehicles continue to meet the same legal emissions requirements that applied when they were built and first registered for use on the roads."
So I can now can get a DPF deleted and a decat to meet the 1950s standards?

The text suggests this applies to Euro 5 and upwards.

[Robertb]

J4CKO said:

I can see why people do it, but it does need to be clamped down on, when you see some stbox Fabia VRS or similar emitting a massive plume of black st then that shouldn't be on the road.

Ten years with the dwindling diesel passenger car sales, legislation like this and EV's getting better, I think they will end up a rare sight in 2036,

And who would really want to drive an old Peugeot 406 for the rest of their lives ? they were alright but you can now get a Model 3 for £300 a month, pay virtually nothing to charge it and have modern features, not least 280 bhp vs 110 bhp plus they will do 350 miles on a charge.

I have a diesel Jaguar XJ and love how it drives but it is a relic now, I imagine it will end up scrapped whilst still looking pretty much like new due to some engine or emissions issue.

The thorny issue is where the financial burden will end up. Its low income households who can't afford newer cars that get hit.

Apart from the 'rolling coal' idiots I can't imagine many people want to drive around in an old diesel spewing out black smoke. The reason people delete emissions stuff is the high cost of repair vs simply delete.

Even if they could afford the monthlies on a newer EV they will not necessarily have access to charging at low-cost domestic rates, so get unfairly hit as they're reliant on high public charger costs.

[GeniusOfLove]

I always find the Facebook Frothers virulent objections to this a bit strange, do they not breathe the same air as the rest of us?

It's almost as if they're the ones running a wked out old heaps that chuff out huge plumes of diesel exhaust because they are too mean to fix their miser mobile properly

This is just yet another necessary step in cleaning up the aftermath of the absolutely cretinous policy of taxing everyone into diesel engines.

[Tim Cognito]

Of course the vast majority of emission control failures which lead to them being deleted is not the technology itself, but that people use them for trundling around town and short runs.

[v8notbrave]

Skim read says for 5 yrs/100km so probably won't impact 2nd hand market. Good in theory

Cats a bit longer, would egr, ad blu be stand alone devices? Prob not

[Om]

Much of the discussion appears to be around diesel vehicles, but the proposal talks about all vehicle emissions - petrol as well, so this isn't just going to impact diesel cars. Many replacement/aftermarket exhaust systems tend to take away the secondary cats, so I assume this would affect those systems?

Also, how many cars on the road can achieve the manufacturers stated emissions as they are/unmodded? Certainly the emissions recalls and stories of manufacturers remapping diesel cars post diesel gate makes me wonder if many cars can achieve what the manufacturer originally stated!

[Doesitdrive]

J4CKO said:

I can see why people do it, but it does need to be clamped down on, when you see some stbox Fabia VRS or similar emitting a massive plume of black st then that shouldn't be on the road.

Ten years with the dwindling diesel passenger car sales, legislation like this and EV's getting better, I think they will end up a rare sight in 2036,

And who would really want to drive an old Peugeot 406 for the rest of their lives ? they were alright but you can now get a Model 3 for £300 a month, pay virtually nothing to charge it and have modern features, not least 280 bhp vs 110 bhp plus they will do 350 miles on a charge.

I have a diesel Jaguar XJ and love how it drives but it is a relic now, I imagine it will end up scrapped whilst still looking pretty much like new due to some engine or emissions issue.

It won't if you keep the fuel and adblue, if it has it, topped up regularly. Oh, and thermostats working properly.

My diesel regens in heavy traffic on a 6 mile commute when it needs to.

A lot of diesel emission issues are self inflicted.

If you give up on it for emissions someone will fix it, in this country or abroad.

If you took it to a scrao yard yourself, do you really think they will not resell a perfectly good car, even if you insisted on COD, it would be sold for or in parts.