RE: For sale: all the Singer 911 you'll ever need
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For sale: all the Singer 911 you'll ever need

Singer is mulling the idea of building its first 'ground-up' supercar. Here's one it made (much) earlier...


It was enlightening, on the first day of Festival of Speed, to hear Singer’s leadership team talk at length not just about its status as the Central Feature marque, but also its exalted position in the current ‘restomod’ market - a market it has arguably done more than anyone to elevate in scale and prominence. Rob Dickinson, who clearly dislikes the catch-all term, recognises that the company he founded back in 2009 now has many admirers (and almost as many imitators), but insists that it remains laser-focused on the quality and consistency of the product, as well as its ability to innovate. 

In many ways, it is heartening to hear Singer’s Executive Chairman (and still chief dreamer, it seems), reiterate his dim view of the horsepower race for its own sake, and dismiss the on-paper speed of its individual cars as ‘not really the point’. No less charmingly, Dickinson couldn’t quite land on a definitive reason for devoting so much time and energy to a single weekend in West Sussex. Singer’s ties to the UK are prominent and long-standing, yet it remains headquartered in LA and does around 65 per cent of its business in the US. Additionally, its order book is full for the next four years. It hardly needs the publicity. 

One suspects the company is in the happy position of being able to do whatever it wants, and at its own speed. Industry veteran Raj Nair was appointed last year as CEO, though Singer seems disinclined to grow its corporate footprint much beyond the point it is already at. Dickinson suggested that despite the introduction of the new Carrera Coupe and Cabriolet, which join the DLS Turbo, Classic Turbo, DLS and original Classic in the range, the firm still has ‘more ideas on the table than we can do’. 

Nevertheless, its planning for the future has become emphatically longer-term in scope, and extends beyond the current offerings. So much so, that when pushed about its prospective aspirations, Dickinson conceded that ‘there is an ambition to do a ground-up new Singer’. Such a car would obviously break new ground for the firm in a number of ways - as well as, you’d imagine, unlock the kind of eye-watering prices that make even bespoke restoration look affordable. Dickinson admitted that its relationship with its client base, and their enthusiasm for the brand, provided it with ‘an unprecedented opportunity’ to use some of its established DNA to do something ‘special’. 

It helps, of course, when your product is immune to anything as mundane as depreciation. More often than not, Singer says, its cars sell for more secondhand than they originally cost to commission. And not the passage of time, nor the number of examples being produced, seems to have much impact on demand. The Amazon Green Metallic, right-hand-drive 964 pictured, according to its MOT record at any rate, was converted to 400hp, 4.0-litre masterpiece a decade ago - only five years after Singer set up shop, in fact. Yet here it is, nearly 7,000 miles later, with a £925k sticker on its windscreen. 

This despite not being everyone’s cup of tea. But Dickinson never set out to please every Porsche fan - that’s very much Porsche’s job. He still alludes to high-end watch ownership as the ideal Singer reference point - i.e. that by building someone a car of Rolex-like calibre, they might conceivably want to keep it in the garage forever. Obviously that isn’t true of the person who parted with a small fortune to convert this particular 964 - but for the next owner, it very well might be. And how nice that you get to recoup your cash mountain while making someone else’s dream come true...


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Billy_Whizzzz

Original Poster:

2,597 posts

170 months

Pretty much perfect in every way.

Maxym

2,924 posts

263 months

High-end watch… Rolex? I don’t think so.

MagicMonkey

100 posts

202 months

You’ve really REALLY got to want to have that instead of the latest generation of GT3 Touring, Turbo S and an electric Cayenne Turbo with plenty of change to spare!!

Blue62

10,527 posts

179 months

Could be the lighting but that doesn’t look like Amazon Green to me, more like Doom Blue. Lovely thing though.

fflump

3,291 posts

65 months

Lovely yes but impossible to dissociate from the price at which point there are far more special cars and far more special designs. And that’s even before fantasy shopping for a 5 car collection for £1m.

Jte3397

1,264 posts

123 months

In my head, I was expecting about half thar. Price aside, I'd agree it's the sort of car I'd be happy to have forever. I'd prefer the DLS though.

Motormouth88

748 posts

87 months

MagicMonkey said:
You ve really REALLY got to want to have that instead of the latest generation of GT3 Touring, Turbo S and an electric Cayenne Turbo with plenty of change to spare!!
People who want this don’t want an electric cayenne

Taz73

445 posts

39 months

That’s just beautiful, absolutely love it, shame it’s so far beyond the realms of affordable and that I’m unlikely to ever even see it on the road.

AmazingGrace

277 posts

31 months

8 previous owners.

So trinket swapping as opposed to genuine life affirming desire

Jellyman

13 posts

164 months

In 2016 I was told I was receiving a windfall. I emailed Singer and was given access to its pricing page - US$350k plus donor car and options. Unfortunately the windfall was not that generous.

Jte3397

1,264 posts

123 months

Motormouth88 said:
MagicMonkey said:
You ve really REALLY got to want to have that instead of the latest generation of GT3 Touring, Turbo S and an electric Cayenne Turbo with plenty of change to spare!!
People who want this don t want an electric cayenne
People who want this probably have all of those and more.

J4CKO

46,554 posts

227 months

Maxym said:
High-end watch Rolex? I don t think so.
Rolex not a high end watch ?

I know you can pay more for Jacob and co, AP and Patek Phillipe etc but a Rolex is still a pretty high end watch by any measure.

scenario8

7,795 posts

206 months

AmazingGrace said:
8 previous owners.

So trinket swapping as opposed to genuine life affirming desire
That’s a curious statistic. I don’t pretend to know anything about Porsche ownership, and definitely not Singer ownership or the lifestyles of the sorts of people who might be their clientele, but is it possible the 9 owners number dates back to 1991?

Gad-Westy

16,393 posts

240 months

AmazingGrace said:
8 previous owners.

So trinket swapping as opposed to genuine life affirming desire
Is that not because it will still be on the original registration rather than registered as a new car when Singer got hold of it? I don't know, I just thought that is how this works.

isaldiri

24,288 posts

195 months

MagicMonkey said:
You ve really REALLY got to want to have that instead of the latest generation of GT3 Touring, Turbo S and an electric Cayenne Turbo with plenty of change to spare!!
none of which would offer anything of what the Singer offers....... and given the people considering a Singer would (easily) have the means for any/all of the above, it's not really a question of 'instead of'......

996_3.4

76 posts

35 months

I saw this very car on a drenched German autobahn sometime in 2020 or 2021. I believe it is their Edinburgh commission. A very cool spot of a very rare "brand" in Europe.

JJJ.

5,216 posts

42 months

I've no doubt these cars are first rate but hell I get far more enjoyment reading about somebody rebuilding and upgrading their old 996 for example.

Clad-Hach

551 posts

15 months

As lovely as these cars are I've always had an issue with the rear end view of them...too much tyre showing, it looks like there are bits missing to cover these open area's.

As for the rest of it pretty much spot on...who wouldn't want one in their garage.

Justin-ow582

576 posts

132 months

MagicMonkey said:
You ve really REALLY got to want to have that instead of the latest generation of GT3 Touring, Turbo S and an electric Cayenne Turbo with plenty of change to spare!!
I wonder if anyone, ever, had those 3 on one side of their "wants" list and a Singer on the other, and was trying to decide which to buy.

In all likelihood they'd just have a 7-digit budget and a list of Singers to choose from.

996_3.4

76 posts

35 months

Having spent a fair amount of time on rennlist, Singer owners have multiple other 911s. And a lot of other stuff.

The amount of wealth on these boards is truly staggering. Real estate, planes, helicopters, boats, 10+ (sometime 50, 100+) car collections, etc.

I felt more at home on the 86 forums!