RE: New Mercedes CLA 45 claims 'ring record
RE: New Mercedes CLA 45 claims 'ring record
Tuesday 4th August

New Mercedes CLA 45 claims 'ring record

680hp EV is the fastest car in its segment, apparently - whatever that segment actually is...


Nobody could accuse AMG of not giving its all when it comes to EV performance cars. Already on sale is a 1,169hp flagship GT, and soon to follow is the second car using its axial flux motor technology, the new CLA 45. Recently revealed at the Festival of Speed, the latest AMG has already been making a name for itself on the Nordschleife in prototype form; the car you see here is now the fastest vehicle in its segment, with a notarised lap time on the 20.832km of 7:32.070. 

Fast, for sure, if not extraordinarily so given both a) people’s expectations these days, and b) the 680hp produced by its three motors. That’ll be the kerbweight, presumably, because there was certainly no faulting the spec or the effort: the lap took place last week, with the temperatures at 24 degrees ambient, and the car wearing super sticky Pirelli Trofeo RS tyres. Driver Kevin Berger, part of the AMG Vehicle Dynamic Development team, clearly knows his way around the track. He had Race mode on and everything. 

But there’s no escaping the fact that, for a relatively small four-door, this lap time doesn’t move the game on very far. The CLA may well be the fastest compact EV - it currently sits at the bottom of the pre-production and prototype table for the ‘ring, showing just how crazy times have become - though it isn’t much faster than less powerful (and less expensive) combustion cars. Frank Stippler lapped a 400hp RS3 in 2024, wearing similar Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tyres, in 7:33.123. Little more than a second over 13 miles is close enough to be identical, really. An M2 isn’t a million miles away, at 7:38.706, and the CS, remember, went around in 7:25. At least the AMG ought to undercut the £115k BMW… 

Chairman of the AMG board Dr Stefan Weckbach said: “AMG was born on the racetrack. Over the past nearly 60 years, we have proven with numerous vehicles that this DNA remains as strong as ever. The CLA 45 now writes the next chapter of that story. It is the fastest car in its class on the world’s most demanding racetrack. My sincere thanks go to all the colleagues whose dedication and expertise made this record possible. And I am certain of one thing: this will not be the last AMG record on the Nürburgring Nordschleife.” Maybe the next one will have some obvious lap time rivals, too…


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leglessAlex

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7,198 posts

169 months

Tuesday
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Neat.

I'm still going to go and buy the Neue Classe i3 instead, looks miles and miles better inside and out. Smaller battery in the Mercedes too, so less range for a given driving style (although not by much I grant you)

Twinair

1,016 posts

170 months

Tuesday
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Meh… yeah… had loads of AMG’s over the years…

Must admit I’m more excited by the Focus RS Mk2 article and chat…

Leccy AMG…?

You pays yer money I spose…??

howardhughes

1,387 posts

232 months

Tuesday
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Sorry, NO. I don't think EV lap records around the Nürburgring are directly comparable to those of ICE cars. Electric cars have instant torque, different power delivery, and different technology that gives them advantages in some areas. ICE cars have their strengths and face different engineering challenges.

Because they are built around entirely different technologies, comparing their lap times isn't a fair like-for-like comparison.
I think EVs should compete against other EVs, and ICE cars should be compared with other ICE cars.

Pughmacher

438 posts

71 months

Tuesday
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No amount of stickers is going to disguise the front end! It looks like a fish.

Interesting time. Not sure I think it’s relevant next to an RS3 from a couple of years ago. Weight will sap the huge amount of power available. It will also make braking distances longer. Battery might be low down but it cannot overcome physics.

As a road car it may be a different matter. Things like brake feel associated with regen and those axial flow motors are more interesting to me.

DaveyBoyWonder

3,802 posts

202 months

Tuesday
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Think I'd rather go a bit slower and not have something that looked like a CLA

Raptor7000r

322 posts

97 months

Tuesday
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That lap looked soulless and boring. As a former AMG owner not the 45 however going from the 2.0 to an EV after such a strong previous generation just seems like the wrong move.

I doubt most of these will be tracked or taken to the ring and claiming a record won't help sales.

Harry_523

528 posts

127 months

Wednesday
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Pughmacher said:
Interesting time. Not sure I think it s relevant next to an RS3 from a couple of years ago. Weight will sap the huge amount of power available. It will also make braking distances longer. Battery might be low down but it cannot overcome physics.

Given that its faster than the audi, it looks a lot like they have "overcome physics" biggrin

smilo996

3,750 posts

198 months

Wednesday
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The segment is very ugly Germans. Wins hands down. Been many years since Merc made a decent looking road car.

Pixelpeep Electric

8,740 posts

170 months

Wednesday
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howardhughes said:
Sorry, NO. I don't think EV lap records around the Nürburgring are directly comparable to those of ICE cars. Electric cars have instant torque, different power delivery, and different technology that gives them advantages in some areas. ICE cars have their strengths and face different engineering challenges.

Because they are built around entirely different technologies, comparing their lap times isn't a fair like-for-like comparison.
I think EVs should compete against other EVs, and ICE cars should be compared with other ICE cars.
And heavy vs light?

Diesel ?

2wd vs 4wd?

each have their strengths and weaknesses which is why they're all comparable, having segments is good though, and maybe it should all be based on power to weight?

PSB1967

471 posts

184 months

Wednesday
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howardhughes said:
Sorry, NO. I don't think EV lap records around the Nürburgring are directly comparable to those of ICE cars. Electric cars have instant torque, different power delivery, and different technology that gives them advantages in some areas. ICE cars have their strengths and face different engineering challenges.

Because they are built around entirely different technologies, comparing their lap times isn't a fair like-for-like comparison.
I think EVs should compete against other EVs, and ICE cars should be compared with other ICE cars.
That could be argued for Turbo'd or Supercharged as they are different from NA.

There are 1000+ bhp ICE cars coming now, probably because EV has forced the need for them to improve numbers. But the next quantum leap will be the McMurtry as it now has enough range to complete the ring.

Whilst ultimately the quickest recorded time is what counts, I would do away with segments and have a boffin create a workable time vs cost table. Shed some light on those in pursuit of speed without a Toyota / Porsche / Mercedes budget. Europes answer to the salt flats, if you will.

nismo48

6,804 posts

235 months

Wednesday
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Fair play to Mercedes. A record is a record

Fishonaline

46 posts

1 month

Wednesday
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That looks gopping.

Mr Tidy

30,910 posts

155 months

Wednesday
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It certainly does with that droopy rear end!

Who really cares how fast a car is around the Ring? It's irrelevant when you are crawling around the M25, on the M42 or the M5 joining the misery of the M6 with speed cameras everywhere?

Terminator X

20,241 posts

232 months

Wednesday
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300hp hatchback only 7s slower wink

TX.

CMTMB

1,673 posts

23 months

Yesterday (00:23)
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Terminator X said:
300hp hatchback only 7s slower wink

TX.
So it's a fair bit faster than a smaller, much lighter and more agile hatchback. While being massively more comfortable, luxurious, cheaper to run and full of technology. Doesn't sound too bad to me.

Terminator X

20,241 posts

232 months

Yesterday (00:28)
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CMTMB said:
Terminator X said:
300hp hatchback only 7s slower wink

TX.
So it's a fair bit faster than a smaller, much lighter and more agile hatchback. While being massively more comfortable, luxurious, cheaper to run and full of technology. Doesn't sound too bad to me.
It's 12-13 miles long. 7s.

TX.

MB140

4,977 posts

131 months

Yesterday (15:33)
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howardhughes said:
Sorry, NO. I don't think EV lap records around the Nürburgring are directly comparable to those of ICE cars. Electric cars have instant torque, different power delivery, and different technology that gives them advantages in some areas. ICE cars have their strengths and face different engineering challenges.

Because they are built around entirely different technologies, comparing their lap times isn't a fair like-for-like comparison.
I think EVs should compete against other EVs, and ICE cars should be compared with other ICE cars.
I agree, no doubt merc will have programmed it to use up the entire battery in that one lap. Then what sit there for a couple of hours charging. It’s just not a like for like comparison, That’s like giving an ICE car the ability to use the entire contents of a full fuel tank in just one lap.

Technically its brilliant no doubt, i bet its a great thing to be in, but just not my personal cup of tea.

plfrench

4,691 posts

296 months

Yesterday (16:07)
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MB140 said:
I agree, no doubt merc will have programmed it to use up the entire battery in that one lap. Then what sit there for a couple of hours charging. It s just not a like for like comparison, That s like giving an ICE car the ability to use the entire contents of a full fuel tank in just one lap.

Technically its brilliant no doubt, i bet its a great thing to be in, but just not my personal cup of tea.
94kWh in 7mins 32s would mean averaging over 1000hp for the full lap!

If it was flat out for the full lap using 680hp constantly for that time, it would be 64kWh, so would have 32% battery left at the end.

Realistically, you wouldn’t be flat at all points, so probably be able to do two laps (average of 502hp which is still a lot), especially when some regen is taken into account.