RE: Has the time finally come for a McLaren 540C?
RE: Has the time finally come for a McLaren 540C?
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Has the time finally come for a McLaren 540C?

Woking's attempt at 'attainable' never really worked at £126k - what about for little more than half that?


While McLaren ought to be riding high at the overwhelmingly positive reception that greeted the new W1 last month, it plainly cannot sit on its laurels. Indeed, it would do well to upturn them and fashion them into a life raft: the water ahead looks perilously choppy. When it revealed the new 788HS ahead of FOS - drawing the long-running Super Series to a close - the firm again reiterated that while one door was closing, another would imminently be opened. Behind that door is said to be a next-generation lineup fit for a fast-approaching new decade: expect electrification and models that don’t all look like conventional mid-engined supercars to feature heavily. 

Of course, the peril (if we’re putting our finger on just one aspect) is that the market doesn’t appear to be done with conventional mid-engined supercars at all. In fact, were McLaren to launch something very much like the 540C today - i.e. something with a high-revving, 540hp twin-turbo V8 and a sub 1.5-tonne kerbweight - it would likely be lauded by some observers as precisely the sort of antidote to overweight, overwrought, overpowered supercars that have proliferated this decade. And at £126k, some buyers would doubtless fall on it like rabid dogs. 

Back in 2015, they were a little more circumspect. Commenters on the original PH story were already complaining about finding ‘it hard to keep track of the lineup’, a point that frankly gets straight to the heart of McLaren’s failure to properly distinguish the entry-level variant from its siblings. The whole point of the exercise was obviously to better rival the corresponding 911 Turbo - but Porsche had spent decades refining its flagship so that it filled out an instantly understandable niche; lopping 30hp and 44lb ft of torque off the 570S’s output was hardly a compelling alternative to status-conscious customers. 

Plainly, it has done the 540C no favours later in life, either. This one from 2017, admittedly not off to the finest start in Metallic White, but still with only 20k accrued by a single previous owner - and for sale at HR Owen - is available for £69,950. Less, it must be said, than the 12Cs that typically prop up McLaren’s presence in the classifieds. The cheapest 570S, with similar miles on the clock, will only set you back around £5k more. Back at launch, the difference in starting price was more like £20k. 

Still, as ever, someone else’s loss is another’s gain. And McLaren’s contention at the time - that you were still getting a lot of carbon-tubbed, super-fast car for your money - rings doubly true now at little more than half the original cost. After all, this is the sort of money that buys you a nicely specced Cayman 718 GTS; a lovely thing in its own right, but not the car to get you to 124mph in 10.5 seconds, nor 199mph. In handling terms, the 540C is on another, even more distant planet. 

Naturally, that argument won’t persuade everyone to choose a decade-old McLaren over a much newer and more practical Porsche. But we’re still talking about a car with sensible mileage, a restrained colour scheme, useful options and an MOT trail that suggests concerted real-world use rather than ceremonial exercise. That McLaren will not be building anything exactly like it again is perhaps by the by (because no other supercar maker with aspirations of long-term survival will be either), but it undeniably harks back to a time when the firm was confident about what precisely made a good car. Nothing we’ve driven since suggests it was far wide of the mark.


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Robertb

Original Poster:

3,768 posts

266 months

Yesterday (06:58)
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I think I’d rather have a 12C… better looking and with the trick suspension.

Strangely one thing which has always impressed me in McLarens are the column stalks. Beautifully made and very satisfying to use.

Iamnotkloot

1,894 posts

175 months

Yesterday (07:31)
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Looks nice for the money - could you just tune the missing torque / bhp back in?

PRO5T

7,381 posts

53 months

Yesterday (07:34)
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Third best looking McLaren after the P1 and F1 for me.

Reliability would be my concern, but at current values they do make my GT3 look overpriced.

Noe

108 posts

311 months

Yesterday (07:34)
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The point when McLaren went horribly wrong. Existing customers got fed up with the jumbled line up and the quick shift from 12c to facelift 650 …. Prices plummeted for existing owners and those who shifted from Ferrari Lamborghini etc regretted the decision ………… though the 12c and 650 were great driving cars. Sadly within a mess of a company being McLaren.

Lefty

20,800 posts

230 months

Yesterday (07:36)
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I’ve been in a few “new” McLarens but, hands up, never driven one.

They don’t appeal to me for some reason and I’m not entirely sure why. Obviously they’re fast, they look dramatic, I like the interiors but there’s something about them that just doesn’t tickle my pickle. This seems great value. Maybe I’d change my mind if I drove one.

K7hyd

26 posts

55 months

Yesterday (07:46)
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I suppose the ‘540 vs the 570” argument is a bit like the “turbo vs turbo S” debate. But if the 570 is only a few grand more, why on earth wouldn’t you go for the faster and presumably better equipped model?

Bluehorseshoe

113 posts

3 months

Yesterday (07:53)
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So I looked at celtic tuning and a remap returns 30bhp and 45lbs of torque so it is a bit like when mitsubishi did a 220bhp lancer that was a remap away from 300bhp.

This looks great in white and of course while there maybe reliability issues I guess buy one at 60k keep a fund for up keep and you have a genuine super car of thr ages

davek_964

11,157 posts

203 months

Yesterday (08:04)
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K7hyd said:
I suppose the 540 vs the 570 argument is a bit like the turbo vs turbo S debate. But if the 570 is only a few grand more, why on earth wouldn t you go for the faster and presumably better equipped model?
I remember talking to a McLaren dealer a few months before the 540s / 570s appeared. He told me that they were coming and told me the power vs price for each - and I was sure that the 540 would be more than fast enough for the money.

In the used market though, I am surprised that the 540 prices stay so close to the 570s - not because they're significantly less of a car (they're obviously not) - but because they're so close, I'd assume most people would simply choose the 570 and I'd expect that to force 540 prices down.
Doesn't seem to though.

200Plus Club

13,312 posts

306 months

Yesterday (08:11)
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Quite a few good indies around now, this will be a lot of car for the money if its a nice example.
Steel brakes will be cheaper too.

mjspencer348

69 posts

3 months

Yesterday (08:15)
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K7hyd said:
I suppose the 540 vs the 570 argument is a bit like the turbo vs turbo S debate. But if the 570 is only a few grand more, why on earth wouldn t you go for the faster and presumably better equipped model?
Also, 540C was Coupe only, 570S available as a Spider. Most commentators say that if you want an open topped supercar then having a carbon tub is a big plus.

Currently only 91 UK registered 540C's, rarer than a 765LT, it seems!

nismo48

6,804 posts

235 months

Yesterday (08:28)
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200Plus Club said:
Quite a few good indies around now, this will be a lot of car for the money if its a nice example.
Steel brakes will be cheaper too.
+1

pw_ninja

63 posts

87 months

Yesterday (08:39)
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Just get a 911. They do more with less (and more). Less power, slightly less weight (but back seats!). But lap times are up there or better. Handling. Reliability... Just get a 911.

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/sachsenring

OK, the 540C "beats" a 991 GTS but it needs more power and less weight. But then it trails a stack of GTs and Turbos.... I mean, get a basic 991 Carrera. Or Carrera T. Go to Litchfield. 500+ bhp. Stiffen the suspension. Add polybushes... Better car. And faster. Probably. Jail either way.

Every day a journey

3,018 posts

66 months

Yesterday (08:43)
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whatever that lot churn out next will inevitably look exactly the same. Just with different model names/numbers.

48k

17,240 posts

176 months

Yesterday (08:45)
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70K for this will be the best 100K you will ever spend.

TTB

14,095 posts

262 months

Yesterday (08:50)
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Iamnotkloot said:
Looks nice for the money - could you just tune the missing torque / bhp back in?
It's a very easy thing to do and not particularly expensive. All their cars right up to the P1 use the same base engine (just different internals etc as you move up) and they are very tuneable.

Compared to the 570 there were very few 540s registered hence the price is close, some people prefer them due to the steel brakes as well.
Either way both are blisteringly quick for entry level cars (0-124 is 9.5 for the 570 and just over 10 for the 540) and whilst they have their niggles are mechanically very reliable - especially as most issues should now have been resolved, as always buy on condition and history.



davek_964

11,157 posts

203 months

Yesterday (08:52)
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pw_ninja said:
Just get a 911. They do more with less (and more). Less power, slightly less weight (but back seats!). But lap times are up there or better. Handling. Reliability... Just get a 911.

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/sachsenring

OK, the 540C "beats" a 991 GTS but it needs more power and less weight. But then it trails a stack of GTs and Turbos.... I mean, get a basic 991 Carrera. Or Carrera T. Go to Litchfield. 500+ bhp. Stiffen the suspension. Add polybushes... Better car. And faster. Probably. Jail either way.
I've had a couple of 911s - the last was a 911 turbo. It qualifies as one of the dullest cars I've ever owned.

"Better" is very subjective (and incidentally - it wasn't any more or less reliable than the two McLaren's I've owned).

RacerMike

4,867 posts

239 months

Yesterday (08:54)
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48k said:
70K for this will be the best 100K you will ever spend.
Haha. Is that just mechnical, or to fix the inevitable corroded front wings too? laugh

48k

17,240 posts

176 months

Yesterday (08:57)
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RacerMike said:
48k said:
70K for this will be the best 100K you will ever spend.
Haha. Is that just mechnical, or to fix the inevitable corroded front wings too? laugh
biglaugh

Thorney has got a perma fix for the corrosion problem now with his bottles of magic stuff from Boeing so at least it should be a one-off repair.

Kawasaki2000

206 posts

19 months

Yesterday (09:17)
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It says something about the car market that when I saw the price I thought 'that looks cheap' before catching myself on.


NGK210

4,895 posts

173 months

Yesterday (09:41)
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Don’t know who’s wearing the ‘PH Staff’ hat today, but that was an insightful and thought-provoking read.
Unlike the usual inanely enthusiastic Wikicrap-sourced, ChatGPT copy-paste advertorial spiel.
More, please.
As for the 540C, it must be a relief to own a McLaren that reduces the quota of replacements for absurdly fragile ‘consumables’ whenever a routine service is due.