RE: Range Rover Sport Electric on sale from £109k
RE: Range Rover Sport Electric on sale from £109k
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Range Rover Sport Electric on sale from £109k

Much cheaper than Land Rover's EV flagship, yet still with 550hp - tempted?


You wait yonks for a battery-powered Range Rover, then two come along at once. Hot on the heels of its full-sized sibling, revealed at the start of September, we have the Range Rover Sport Electric version. Much about it, for better or worse (and as we discussed back in the summer) is the same or very similar. Same 550hp courtesy of its shared 260kW motors, same 4.3 seconds to 60mph, same 118.5kWh battery, same 800-volt architecture and virtually the same 374-mile WLTP range. Land Rover’s 333-mile quoted real-world ranking is no different either. But where the Range Rover Electric costs from £154,070, the Sport starts at £109,810. Go figure. 

Or don’t, because the price difference - and the market positioning differences it implies - have been part and parcel of the Sport’s identity since forever, and all the more so since it started sharing hardware with the flagship model. The question is less about whether or not a Sport Electric specifically eats into Range Rover sales (historically speaking, they target different buyers), and more about the appeal of a six-figure electric SUV generally. The battery-powered Range Rover’s popularity, one suspects, is ring-fenced by its money-no-object clientele. The Sport, less so. In fact, it must immediately convince EV buyers that it is a better bet than the Porsche Cayenne Electric, which starts at £83,200, and is very much already here. 

To do this, as you might expect, Land Rover has talked up the EV’s qualities as a genuine ‘performance SUV’. “Range Rover Sport is the most dynamic expression of Range Rover,” said Martin Limpert, the brand's MD. “With Range Rover Sport Electric we’re taking that spirit of visceral engagement and desire into the electric age.” How so? Well, thanks in part to the structural upsides offered by the new battery housing, the model is claimed to be 61 per stiffer than any other Sport. And while it may be heavier for the same reason, the underfoot positioning of the skateboard means its centre of gravity is 73mm lower, too. 

Such boasts are hardly unusual when talking about otherwise conventional platforms made to accommodate battery cells, but Land Rover reckons it has done all it can to make the most of the Electric’s strengths. The air suspension features twin-valve dampers and active roll control, as well as all-wheel steering and Adaptive Dynamics 2 software, which is claimed to monitor 100 parameters 500 times a second to decide how best to apply up to 1,400nm of corrective force across each axle. The manufacturer might have chosen to fit the hydraulically interlinked 6D Dynamics system from the SV for even greater handling prowess, but it considered the V8-powered P540 Sport a more appropriate performance benchmark. 

Even without it, Vehicle Engineering Director, Matt Becker, is adamant that the car “represents an evolution in the dynamic character of the Range Rover Sport.” The Electric may have less outright power than an SV, but its 627lb ft of peak torque is the most ever made available to a Sport - and to help distinguish it from its sibling, it ramps up 50 per cent quicker than in the Range Rover. This much was evident when we drove a prototype back in the summer, the Sport being not only quicker to turn, but also quicker off the mark - which, of course, makes it seem lighter on its feet. Indeed, Becker talks about the new model feeling “smaller, more planted and more responsive than you would imagine.” Traits it will surely need when you consider that the cheaper Cayenne S Electric is half a second quicker to 62mph. 

But the Sport is not exclusively about on-road performance. Much as it did with the Range Rover Electric, Land Rover has gone to predictably great lengths to ensure that the Sport’s breadth of capability is exactly where its customers expect. You hardly need watch the car crest the 3,000ft Gioia Peak - part of the open-air Carrara marble quarries in Italy, and JLR’s latest marketing wheeze - to know that the ‘unique tuned’ Terrain Response system is unlikely to be challenged by leafy driveways or muddy car parks. Or indeed even 900mm of standing water or a 45-degree slope. The same dual motor configuration means the Sport relies on an open diff as well, but the instantaneous of the torque delivery is always the compensating factor. It felt imperious away from the asphalt at Goodwood. 

Its other advantage - again, shared with the Range Rover Electric - is that missing exhaust pipes and funkier alloys aside, you'll struggle to tell it apart from a combustion-powered Sport. Which isn’t to suggest that the current model is peerlessly good-looking, but its physical presence and classical proportions make the Cayenne’s jelly-moulded look seem doubly anonymous. It is a similar story inside, where (thanks to the decision to retain the transmission tunnel, now utilised to house the battery’s control module), Land Rover has consciously opted not to change anything it didn’t really have to. So think additional infotainment readouts and the Single Pedal function hiding under the gear selector’s S mode. The message is again clear: people very much liked the Sport already. Making it the same but battery-powered is again considered the quickest way to their hearts. 

Which isn’t to shortchange the work that has gone in underneath; the Electric gets all the same patent-pending innovations as the flagship model - the ThermAssist heat management system primary among them - and because it was developed alongside, benefits from all the same exhaustive testing, including shock testing the battery in -40 degrees to +90 degrees conditions. It will also charge from 10-80 per cent in the same 22 minutes (should you find a sufficiently juicy DC public charger), and can accept power from a more sedate AC connection on the other side. But the point is to convince you that none of this requires any compromise on your part. You just go on being a Range Rover Sport owner. 

Whether or not this ultimately convinces more people to jump ship is naturally the million (billion?) dollar question. As it declares the order books open, Land Rover appears adamant that it has assembled all the right moving parts - though it will force no one to take the plunge. The MHEV and PHEV variants continue, most at a considerable saving versus the Electric. The latter, its battery backed by an eight-year or 100,000-mile warranty, is available in Dynamic SE, Autobiography and First Edition trims, starting at £109,810, £122,780 and £126,290, respectively. While its performance template, the 4.4-litre P540, is currently from £121,270. Food for thought? Or no-brainer? We will see.


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Luther Blissett

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401 posts

162 months

Yesterday (02:58)
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Why do cars of this tech level and purchase price continue to use open diffs? Surely the on and off road capability would be enhanced just with passive helical diffs?

mjspencer348

357 posts

5 months

Yesterday (06:01)
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Luther Blissett said:
Why do cars of this tech level and purchase price continue to use open diffs? Surely the on and off road capability would be enhanced just with passive helical diffs?
Traditionally, I understand JLR haven't used Torsen axle diffs because, like an open diff, they can't feed power to a planted wheel if the other is airborne, but this can be overcome with TC braking the spinning wheel. I imagine they feel a passive helical LSD isn't necessary for mainstream models because, to be blunt, few customers would notice the difference, but I dare say most PH'rs would; the age-old cost-benefit analysis in action.

Edit: Perhaps JLR should offer a Torsen rear diff as part of a performance pack option on the RR Sport? An interesting point of difference between this and a FFRR.

Edited by mjspencer348 on Wednesday 30th September 06:58

Kipsrs

712 posts

79 months

Yesterday (06:41)
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For the love of Harvey, at that price, put some decent wheels on the damned thing!

cerb4.5lee

44,641 posts

210 months

Yesterday (07:02)
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I do grumble about an electric cars range far too much really(especially when in comparison to diesel and a lot of petrols), but 333 miles range in this should be plenty for the school run and nipping about locally etc I think though in fairness.

It should sell ok I'd imagine, and it will be a good car to shove through your business or if you use salsac I reckon.

Phooey

13,827 posts

199 months

Yesterday (07:54)
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Kipsrs said:
For the love of Harvey, at that price, put some decent wheels on the damned thing!
LR know the majority of these will go straight to Urban

cerb4.5lee

44,641 posts

210 months

Yesterday (07:58)
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I said the same about the FFRR as well, but I am pleased that JLR have made this look like a normal car as well. Rather than going in the direction of making an electric car look mega futuristic in comparison, because I've personally never liked that approach for example.

RacerMike

4,927 posts

241 months

Yesterday (08:28)
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mjspencer348 said:
Luther Blissett said:
Why do cars of this tech level and purchase price continue to use open diffs? Surely the on and off road capability would be enhanced just with passive helical diffs?
Traditionally, I understand JLR haven't used Torsen axle diffs because, like an open diff, they can't feed power to a planted wheel if the other is airborne, but this can be overcome with TC braking the spinning wheel. I imagine they feel a passive helical LSD isn't necessary for mainstream models because, to be blunt, few customers would notice the difference, but I dare say most PH'rs would; the age-old cost-benefit analysis in action.

Edit: Perhaps JLR should offer a Torsen rear diff as part of a performance pack option on the RR Sport? An interesting point of difference between this and a FFRR.

Edited by mjspencer348 on Wednesday 30th September 06:58
Fitting an LSD inside an electric motor is also challenging from a packaging perspective and would be a huge compromise on motor size amongst other things whilst offering little real world benefit. There’s some very clever and effective brake traction control algorithms that achieve what an LSD does in off road conditions where you’d need it.

wistec1

798 posts

71 months

Yesterday (08:33)
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Not interested on bit.

GianiCakes

686 posts

103 months

Yesterday (08:36)
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We’ve had the wife’s D300 Sport for 2 and a half years now and it’s a very good car. Comfortable, spacious and easily does 600 miles on a tank which is useful as it tends to be our long journey car. I do wish I’d gone for the D350 though as that’s a more sprightly drive but the marginal cost didn’t make sense at the time. We do have the four wheel steering which is a game changer on this car. The low range gearbox not so much but I wanted it and it t wasn’t that expensive.
I think the electric version would be very good for most people but not for our use case at the moment. That being said if an appealing spec V8 one came up I’d be tempted and the range probably isn’t that much more.

Mammasaid

5,579 posts

127 months

Yesterday (08:42)
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wistec1 said:
Not interested on bit.
And yet here you are on another EV story, go figure?

whp1983

1,379 posts

169 months

Yesterday (08:49)
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cerb4.5lee said:
I do grumble about an electric cars range far too much really(especially when in comparison to diesel and a lot of petrols), but 333 miles range in this should be plenty for the school run and nipping about locally etc I think though in fairness.

It should sell ok I'd imagine, and it will be a good car to shove through your business or if you use salsac I reckon.
Salsac isn’t what it was by time it’s 9% for a 40/45% tax payer that’s chunky + Road pricing + cost of lease. The daily EV I now have has a monster list price and when it goes back in 2.5 years just as tax is hiked…… I’d seriously debate weather to have such an expensive one again (only did this time as lease deal was bonkers low). Whilst I have no doubt the government has little care for prospective RR buyers or similar - they do run risk of stopping the EV movement which is largely a tax based call.

As for the RR concerned, lovely thing, they all are- irrespective of what powers them. I would (subject to tax 😂)


plfrench

4,907 posts

298 months

Yesterday (08:57)
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whp1983 said:
Salsac isn t what it was by time it s 9% for a 40/45% tax payer that s chunky + Road pricing + cost of lease. The daily EV I now have has a monster list price and when it goes back in 2.5 years just as tax is hiked I d seriously debate weather to have such an expensive one again (only did this time as lease deal was bonkers low). Whilst I have no doubt the government has little care for prospective RR buyers or similar - they do run risk of stopping the EV movement which is largely a tax based call.

As for the RR concerned, lovely thing, they all are- irrespective of what powers them. I would (subject to tax ?)
Not really though as PHEV is still at least double the tax of an EV at 18/19% depending on which year you're looking at. Unless people just suddenly stop buying cars and catch the bus, then the direction of travel will continue just more expensively.

scenario8

7,954 posts

209 months

Yesterday (09:06)
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Well quite! No matter whether you disapprove of the increased BIK rates for EVs, the BIK for non EVs is heartstopping. Besides, that isn't the only way in which non-EVs are being squeezed out of the market. If pushing the continued expansion of the EV market is your thing.

scenario8

7,954 posts

209 months

Yesterday (09:12)
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I’m sure it’s very lovely and hopefully is a shot in the arm for JLR. Tough times for the legacy manufacturers. The premium end as well as elsewhere.

The well documented delays have meant it’s finally landed on the market as the RR and RRS facelifts appear on the horizon. That will irk some, I don’t doubt. (Although I suspect the aesthetic elements of the facelifts will be slight).

DonkeyApple

69,915 posts

199 months

Yesterday (09:16)
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What happens to these in 10 years time when the angry thumb people want them for larging it on the estate while looking wellard? Does JLR not care about skint blokes who have chosen to look like a slice of spam wearing a Fauxolex?

nismo48

7,058 posts

237 months

Yesterday (09:16)
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A good looking high end/spec Rover.

GianiCakes

686 posts

103 months

Yesterday (09:29)
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DonkeyApple said:
What happens to these in 10 years time when the angry thumb people want them for larging it on the estate while looking wellard? Does JLR not care about skint blokes who have chosen to look like a slice of spam wearing a Fauxolex?
Yes yes yes but if you want to look like old money then the spec makes all the difference. The Gentlemen (Netflix) is doing a great job of maintaining their association with a very different level of estate. I’m certainly happy with any Susie Glass connection I can get. And yes I do know she technically drives a GTS Cab. but she’s often seen in the Sport.

RazerSauber

2,907 posts

90 months

Yesterday (09:55)
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Another thumbs up from me for not making it look electric. I don't mind a bit of a trim or nod to it being electric but the cars that have ICE and EV variants have a tendency to look massively different. I think it puts a lot of people off. Unknowledgeable buyers might be put off thinking "it's an electric car" like it's something magical and intimidating rather than "it's a car that happens to be powered by electricity instead of petrol". Many of them look much worse IMO, too.

ThomW

1,955 posts

58 months

Yesterday (11:46)
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Glad this now exists but they're so far behind the times already.

RR Sport EV - £109,810, 374 miles WLTP

BMW iX5 - £90,800, 525 miles WLTP

Both 350kW charging. Same size externally, iX5 much bigger inside.

I know some don't like the new BMW styling but you'd have to REALLY want a Range Rover to choose the Sport over the iX5...

CMTMB

1,957 posts

25 months

Yesterday (11:53)
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cerb4.5lee said:
but 333 miles range in this should be plenty for the school run and nipping about locally etc I think though in fairness.
It's plenty for doing a lot more than that. I've got an EV with less range and do 600+ miles a week in it with all charging done from home.