Group B vs Modern WRC - which is quicker
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I'd agree with what's been said above, however watch this vid and just listen to that Metro.
http://s110.photobucket.com/albums/n107/03dublinwrx/?action=view¤t=Title02.flv
http://s110.photobucket.com/albums/n107/03dublinwrx/?action=view¤t=Title02.flv
WRC, it doesnt take long for technology to prevail over power
i believe by 1993 the 2 litre ~300 hp BTCC touring cars were already faster round some tracks than the 550 hp sierra cosworths
just the same as f1, i'm sure for all their brute power the turbo cars would be way way slower even than a mid 90s car nevermind a 2007 car
i prefer the old skool stuff though
i believe by 1993 the 2 litre ~300 hp BTCC touring cars were already faster round some tracks than the 550 hp sierra cosworths
just the same as f1, i'm sure for all their brute power the turbo cars would be way way slower even than a mid 90s car nevermind a 2007 car
i prefer the old skool stuff though
Nice video, but I suspect that Metro is packing more power than the Group B 6R4s had.
The difference between the Metros currently running in National rallies and the WRC cars is really the active transmissions. This is what gives themn the biggest edge. The rudimentary Ferguson 4X4 system ARG used is really no match.
The difference between the Metros currently running in National rallies and the WRC cars is really the active transmissions. This is what gives themn the biggest edge. The rudimentary Ferguson 4X4 system ARG used is really no match.
there was something on cable today, looking back at older rallycars including Group B, Malcolm Wilson plus a couple of others stated they were much quicker massivley more power but todays diff / suspension and tyre technology mean current cars are faster in stage times but obviously if you de-restricted a current car and turned the boost up to 650 bhp and reduced the weight imagine how quick it would be!
theboymoon said:
Just been spending some idle time looking at old group B stuff on youtube and some of it is just mental!
Got me wondering if the modern WRC cars are quicker over a given stage than the old group B monsters...
Anybody got an idea?
Moonie
no input on the thread, but Ive just spent a day watching Audi Auttro S1/RS200/Metro 6R4/205T16 Evo 2 blasting around Bradford.....lovely Got me wondering if the modern WRC cars are quicker over a given stage than the old group B monsters...
Anybody got an idea?
Moonie
mat205125 said:
Brute power cannot match modern tyres, active differentials, WRC suspension and design.
Same way a modern F1 is quicker round a lap than a 1400bhp turbo 80's car which wore rubber twice the width.
No doubt that the WRC stuff would be quicker, but I know which group I would line up to spend a day in a muddy field to see Same way a modern F1 is quicker round a lap than a 1400bhp turbo 80's car which wore rubber twice the width.
My guess would be that it would depend on the stage.
Yes the WRC cars have better tyres, suspension, weigh nothing parts and clever diffs/anti lag etc but IMHO these don't carry the same gravitas as aero & tyres in F1. If the stage had enough straight bits then 600bhp would have the 300 (ish
) of the WRC car. Enough twists and turns and the scenario would be reversed.
Yes the WRC cars have better tyres, suspension, weigh nothing parts and clever diffs/anti lag etc but IMHO these don't carry the same gravitas as aero & tyres in F1. If the stage had enough straight bits then 600bhp would have the 300 (ish
) of the WRC car. Enough twists and turns and the scenario would be reversed.F.M said:
I think i'd get to "5,4,3,2,1, GO, Fla...MUMMY!" before wanting to get out and have a cup of tea. much respect to the nutters that do/did that for a living 
dont forget that the current wrc drivers get to see the stage many times before the timed run.
in the old group b days it was the norm to just give a map to the co driver and hit the stage blind.
also in those days a rally would last for days.
in the old days they would drive at night in the dark and everything.
the rac used to take place in november because the weather was bad.
now they have rally gb and its all small and moved to try for better weather,
a group b car standing still was better to see than the wrc.
rally in the 2k's has got no spectical or drama,theyve tried to make it easyer for the casual fan to enjoy and have driven away the real fans(just like football).
in the old group b days it was the norm to just give a map to the co driver and hit the stage blind.
also in those days a rally would last for days.
in the old days they would drive at night in the dark and everything.
the rac used to take place in november because the weather was bad.
now they have rally gb and its all small and moved to try for better weather,
a group b car standing still was better to see than the wrc.
rally in the 2k's has got no spectical or drama,theyve tried to make it easyer for the casual fan to enjoy and have driven away the real fans(just like football).
accident said:
dont forget that the current wrc drivers get to see the stage many times before the timed run.
in the old group b days it was the norm to just give a map to the co driver and hit the stage blind.
also in those days a rally would last for days.
in the old days they would drive at night in the dark and everything.
the rac used to take place in november because the weather was bad.
now they have rally gb and its all small and moved to try for better weather,
a group b car standing still was better to see than the wrc.
rally in the 2k's has got no spectical or drama,theyve tried to make it easyer for the casual fan to enjoy and have driven away the real fans(just like football).
Just to add to thisin the old group b days it was the norm to just give a map to the co driver and hit the stage blind.
also in those days a rally would last for days.
in the old days they would drive at night in the dark and everything.
the rac used to take place in november because the weather was bad.
now they have rally gb and its all small and moved to try for better weather,
a group b car standing still was better to see than the wrc.
rally in the 2k's has got no spectical or drama,theyve tried to make it easyer for the casual fan to enjoy and have driven away the real fans(just like football).
If you wanna see Rallying in bad weather and through proper dangerous places, check out the Roger Albert Clark Rally which is due to begin on Novemeber 17th in Leeds
Thats right gentlemen, the RAC Rally is back under the new name of Roger Albert Clark, the name of the man who won the first RAC Rally
http://www.rogeralbertclarkrally.co.uk/
jagdpanther said:
accident said:
dont forget that the current wrc drivers get to see the stage many times before the timed run.
in the old group b days it was the norm to just give a map to the co driver and hit the stage blind.
also in those days a rally would last for days.
in the old days they would drive at night in the dark and everything.
the rac used to take place in november because the weather was bad.
now they have rally gb and its all small and moved to try for better weather,
a group b car standing still was better to see than the wrc.
rally in the 2k's has got no spectical or drama,theyve tried to make it easyer for the casual fan to enjoy and have driven away the real fans(just like football).
Just to add to thisin the old group b days it was the norm to just give a map to the co driver and hit the stage blind.
also in those days a rally would last for days.
in the old days they would drive at night in the dark and everything.
the rac used to take place in november because the weather was bad.
now they have rally gb and its all small and moved to try for better weather,
a group b car standing still was better to see than the wrc.
rally in the 2k's has got no spectical or drama,theyve tried to make it easyer for the casual fan to enjoy and have driven away the real fans(just like football).
If you wanna see Rallying in bad weather and through proper dangerous places, check out the Roger Albert Clark Rally which is due to begin on Novemeber 17th in Leeds
Thats right gentlemen, the RAC Rally is back under the new name of Roger Albert Clark, the name of the man who won the first RAC Rally
http://www.rogeralbertclarkrally.co.uk/
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