car you have driven with the best gear change...
car you have driven with the best gear change...
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princeperch

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8,272 posts

276 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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...I don't own a very powerful car, but as I was having a hoot wringing its neck today, it occurred to me that even if the car you are driving is incredibly powerful,handles like a dream and looks like a million dollars- if the gear change is insipid, the overall package has to be diluted.

I freely admit that I haven't driven as many cars as others on Ph, but I have driven some great cars, that came with a shockingly woeful gearchange - and it really does let them down. My car didn't cost a lot of money, but the gearchange is beautiful.The best way to describe the change is like a rifle bolt action. It's a marvel.

I would be interested to hear what we think is the car with the best gearchange is, or indeed the best car with a dire gearchange. For such an important feature in a car I have been left very dissapointed with many that I have experienced, and have to say I would not buy them as a result...


anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Best gearchange i have used,172 phase 2 clio, worst gearchange, mini pickup, like stirring wallpaper paste!

Alfa_75_Steve

7,489 posts

229 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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I always like modern VAG gearchanges - nice short throw on almost every car in the range.

Worst is my Alfa 75. Even after the gearbox rebuild.

wildoliver

9,308 posts

245 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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new cooper s isn't bad.

bigdods

7,175 posts

256 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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MX5 is the best the rest have been pretty average - VW, Ford, Vauxhall etc. The TVR is somewhere in the middle. Chunky is probably a good word to describe it.

Darkslider

3,084 posts

218 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Another one for VAG boxes, slightly biased as I worked in an independent VAG specialist for a year. During that time I drove hundreds of different Golfs, Polos, A3s, A4s, Passats, TTs Ibizas Fabias you name it, and all of them had slick, clear gear change with no play and a well defined solid feel to the gearbox.

Balmoral Green

42,561 posts

277 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Pretty much any mainstrean seventies car with RWD, like Escorts/Cortinas, and anything Japanese of course. I had a 1949 Bentley MVI which had a four speed gearbox with the gear change on the right between the drivers seat and the door, that was very slick.

Worst? BLMC stuff with the 'E' or 'O' series engine, such as Maxis, Princesses, and the like. Although Allegros and others with an 'A' series were OK.

Differentiating purely on gear change though, a car with a lousy gear change can still have a cracking gearbox, and vice versa, I've driven some cars with terrible gearboxes, but they've had a silky smooth gearchange.

Mrs BG has a new Panda, and considering that the gear lever is high up coming out of the middle of the dashboard, and so has a lot of linkage travel, it is like a very slick little switch right next to the steering wheel. I like it, a lot.

Edited by Balmoral Green on Friday 17th October 19:27

shalmaneser

6,433 posts

224 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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one thing i think lets the 205gti down is the gearchange. Never properly driven a car where the gearchange has impressed me (as in i've never gone to myself 'that's nice') but a friend's e46 beemer feels good.

Dr G

15,966 posts

271 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Darkslider said:
Another one for VAG boxes, slightly biased as I worked in an independent VAG specialist for a year. During that time I drove hundreds of different Golfs, Polos, A3s, A4s, Passats, TTs Ibizas Fabias you name it, and all of them had slick, clear gear change with no play and a well defined solid feel to the gearbox.
However almost all of them feel cludgy and lazy when hurried.

Integra Type R DC2 blows everything else I have ever driven into the weeds. Not only is the feel through the lever magnificent it works flawlessly in conjunction with throttle and clutch action.

Puddenchucker

5,864 posts

247 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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My Honda S2000 was good but, for me, the gear change in the MR2 GT I had was better - smoother and a more 'oiled' feel.

Fort Jefferson

8,237 posts

251 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Rover 820 without a doubt. You could put one finger on top of the stick and change gear. The worst, by a country mile, is Mrs FJ's BMW. It's bloody awfull.

Balmoral Green

42,561 posts

277 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Fort Jefferson said:
Rover 820 without a doubt. You could put one finger on top of the stick and change gear.
Honda box that was, the 2.0 Montegos were the same, very nice. The VW box in the 1.3/1.6 was awfull.

bobthemonkey

4,206 posts

245 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Another vote for the S2000. The previous Civic had a nice change as well. Actually that goes for all Honda's.

Actually, the Honda's had what was a technically good box. Sometimes a bulky change which needs a good effort to move is somehow more 'in tune' with the car and the experience.

Edited by bobthemonkey on Friday 17th October 19:32

BlackMagic *tree

8,786 posts

224 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Mk1 MR2 is memorably good.

jmcc500

676 posts

247 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Honda seem to have this cracked - even my OHs Jazz has a cracking gearshift.

Of others, the MGB was nice once you are used to the narrowness of the gate. BMW 330 was bad - particularly recalcitrant when cold and trying to select 1st.

Athlon

5,892 posts

235 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Caterham and MX-5 are both cloud9

eldar

25,274 posts

225 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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A decent autobox....

princeperch

Original Poster:

8,272 posts

276 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Athlon said:
Caterham and MX-5 are both cloud9
Like I say, I haven't driven many cars in my time (although I have a few) but I can't see how any car would be able to improve on the MX5's change.

ALthough that said, there is the other side of the coin as mentioned that some cars do suit particular gearboxes/changes..

nismo48

7,034 posts

236 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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My old Fiat 131 Sport had a close ratio box.Short throw gear change.Excellent in its day.Still miss that car now.Another decent gear change...Strada 130 Abarth..Think both of these cars had ZF Gearboxes..

aeropilot

40,656 posts

256 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Lotus-Cortina/Escort RS1600/Mexico.