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Not only did GM announce the end of the Pontiac brand name, but today.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8027109.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8027109.stm
Yes and LDV has gone bust {again} so it's no more Sherpas . Chrysler have been struggling for years when Mercedes sold out I must admit I could not see a long term future for the company as a volume producer. The latest rescue seems to be from Fiat which has always also looked like a company on it's last legs for about the last 25 years !
Bill
Bill
WJM said:
Yes and LDV has gone bust {again} so it's no more Sherpas . Chrysler have been struggling for years when Mercedes sold out I must admit I could not see a long term future for the company as a volume producer. The latest rescue seems to be from Fiat which has always also looked like a company on it's last legs for about the last 25 years !
Bill
LDV havent made sherpas for a long time, and the £1200 LDV Convoy i had was far more reliable than a certain FFFFFFFFFrench van i bought from new..Bill
veryoldfart said:
WJM said:
Yes and LDV has gone bust {again} so it's no more Sherpas . Chrysler have been struggling for years when Mercedes sold out I must admit I could not see a long term future for the company as a volume producer. The latest rescue seems to be from Fiat which has always also looked like a company on it's last legs for about the last 25 years !
Bill
LDV havent made sherpas for a long time, and the £1200 LDV Convoy i had was far more reliable than a certain FFFFFFFFFrench van i bought from new..Bill
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Get a Merc van, nice to drive and the turbo diesel is none to shabby!
Back on topic the Yanks have been making awful cars since the 70's - they never worked out how to cope with the fuel crisis and were lumbered with old fashioned unions, working practices and design teams. OK so Chrysler made the Viper, Prowler and the PT Cruiser but most modern yanks are rubbish overweight wallowing junk that gets in the way (and their cars aren't much better, ho ho ho :-))
How Fiat will help I am not sure - could only have been worse if it was Citroen or Peugeot!
Back on topic the Yanks have been making awful cars since the 70's - they never worked out how to cope with the fuel crisis and were lumbered with old fashioned unions, working practices and design teams. OK so Chrysler made the Viper, Prowler and the PT Cruiser but most modern yanks are rubbish overweight wallowing junk that gets in the way (and their cars aren't much better, ho ho ho :-))
How Fiat will help I am not sure - could only have been worse if it was Citroen or Peugeot!
Doubt it, I was in the US in March and things like the Challenger {which looks great and with the 425hp hemi I'd have thought went well}and the Mustang are quite popular and there were also lots of C6 Corvettes. The US might be in recession and the government mouthing about smaller cars but I'd have thought that 4x4 {like the UK}and the massive pickup trucks they run are more likely to feel the pinch.
Mind you the biggest disapointment with the new muscle cars is that unlike the old ones they make virtually no noise, none of that lovely Bullit type sound any more !
Bill
Mind you the biggest disapointment with the new muscle cars is that unlike the old ones they make virtually no noise, none of that lovely Bullit type sound any more !
Bill
WJM said:
Doubt it, I was in the US in March and things like the Challenger {which looks great and with the 425hp hemi I'd have thought went well}and the Mustang are quite popular and there were also lots of C6 Corvettes. The US might be in recession and the government mouthing about smaller cars but I'd have thought that 4x4 {like the UK}and the massive pickup trucks they run are more likely to feel the pinch.
Mind you the biggest disapointment with the new muscle cars is that unlike the old ones they make virtually no noise, none of that lovely Bullit type sound any more !
Bill
I hate to say it but the price increase in gas a year ago might have been a good thing. It made us all cut back and look at alternative transportation. All the soccer Moms drove the big Suvs and really felt the pinch. I still don't understand why all the kids like soccer anyway...just kidding...I'm a Chelsea fan. The American auto maker put all there eggs in the truck/suv basket and now they are paying the price. Too many complainers here to have a nice sounding exhaust on cars these days. Mind you the biggest disapointment with the new muscle cars is that unlike the old ones they make virtually no noise, none of that lovely Bullit type sound any more !
Bill
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