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As a boy these things always intrigued and terrified me in equal measure. Approaching middle age, the fascination is still there.
Take this scary bugger - the Challenger 2. The engineering is amazing - 26 litre, 12 cylinder diesel with 1200hp! And its British !
I read that there is a wide school of thought inside the Army that these things would help a lot in Afghanistan - saving British lives , reducing exposure to IED's, while deterring more of the bad guys. Experience backed up by the Canadians out there who have brought there Leopard tanks with them - but the British tanks are not in Afghanistan largely because of politics, costs and a lack of funding for the required infrastructure. In the world of new Labour, I guess this is to be expected..
Anyhow, I won't dwell on the politics.
Instead, lets celebrate this mighty piece of British engineering. I wonder if I could get an old T55 and drive it around the paddock..How much would an old tank cost anyway??
Take this scary bugger - the Challenger 2. The engineering is amazing - 26 litre, 12 cylinder diesel with 1200hp! And its British !
I read that there is a wide school of thought inside the Army that these things would help a lot in Afghanistan - saving British lives , reducing exposure to IED's, while deterring more of the bad guys. Experience backed up by the Canadians out there who have brought there Leopard tanks with them - but the British tanks are not in Afghanistan largely because of politics, costs and a lack of funding for the required infrastructure. In the world of new Labour, I guess this is to be expected..
Anyhow, I won't dwell on the politics.
Instead, lets celebrate this mighty piece of British engineering. I wonder if I could get an old T55 and drive it around the paddock..How much would an old tank cost anyway??
I LOVE TANKS
I have been trying to buy a tank for ages, don't come up on Ebay much but this company as an interesting for sale section...
http://www.manbymotorplex.com/res_website.asp?supp...
They also own this cheftian which I took a picture of few weeks ago..
Anyone know how to hot wire a tank???
Kit
p.s. Your pic link was broken.
I have been trying to buy a tank for ages, don't come up on Ebay much but this company as an interesting for sale section...
http://www.manbymotorplex.com/res_website.asp?supp...
They also own this cheftian which I took a picture of few weeks ago..
Anyone know how to hot wire a tank???
Kit
p.s. Your pic link was broken.
toppstuff said:
As a boy these things always intrigued and terrified me in equal measure. Approaching middle age, the fascination is still there.
Take this scary bugger - the Challenger 2. The engineering is amazing - 26 litre, 12 cylinder diesel with 1200hp! And its British !
I read that there is a wide school of thought inside the Army that these things would help a lot in Afghanistan - saving British lives , reducing exposure to IED's, while deterring more of the bad guys. Experience backed up by the Canadians out there who have brought there Leopard tanks with them - but the British tanks are not in Afghanistan largely because of politics, costs and a lack of funding for the required infrastructure. In the world of new Labour, I guess this is to be expected..
Anyhow, I won't dwell on the politics.
Instead, lets celebrate this mighty piece of British engineering. I wonder if I could get an old T55 and drive it around the paddock..How much would an old tank cost anyway??
Several issues with this.Take this scary bugger - the Challenger 2. The engineering is amazing - 26 litre, 12 cylinder diesel with 1200hp! And its British !
I read that there is a wide school of thought inside the Army that these things would help a lot in Afghanistan - saving British lives , reducing exposure to IED's, while deterring more of the bad guys. Experience backed up by the Canadians out there who have brought there Leopard tanks with them - but the British tanks are not in Afghanistan largely because of politics, costs and a lack of funding for the required infrastructure. In the world of new Labour, I guess this is to be expected..
Anyhow, I won't dwell on the politics.
Instead, lets celebrate this mighty piece of British engineering. I wonder if I could get an old T55 and drive it around the paddock..How much would an old tank cost anyway??
Tanks are still vulnerable to IEDs... some even more so because of the flat bottom.
-You can bring as much armour to a fight as you like .. someone will make/bury a bigger bomb.
You may struggle to "win hearts and minds" by accidentally bulldozing every afghan village you drove one through.
There is also no real threat for it to deal with as far as I am aware. The apache can do a similar job much more effectively.
The logisitcs issue is also understandable.. at 60+ tonnes a piece they are not that easy to ship about the place. And you will also need the support and recovery vehicles (yes a tank that can drag a broken tank home - CRAAV(Challenger Armoured Repair and Recovery Vehicle)).
But yes its a very impressive bit of kit and even more so fully armoured. With advances in weaponry (top attack anti armour etc) it may well be the last we see of this type of vehicle.
As for buying one I'm sure there is a website selling old bits of soviet kit..here
http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/Tanks_Trucks_Jeeps_f...
Edited by MoleVision on Monday 17th August 19:56
MoleVision said:
toppstuff said:
As a boy these things always intrigued and terrified me in equal measure. Approaching middle age, the fascination is still there.
Take this scary bugger - the Challenger 2. The engineering is amazing - 26 litre, 12 cylinder diesel with 1200hp! And its British !
I read that there is a wide school of thought inside the Army that these things would help a lot in Afghanistan - saving British lives , reducing exposure to IED's, while deterring more of the bad guys. Experience backed up by the Canadians out there who have brought there Leopard tanks with them - but the British tanks are not in Afghanistan largely because of politics, costs and a lack of funding for the required infrastructure. In the world of new Labour, I guess this is to be expected..
Anyhow, I won't dwell on the politics.
Instead, lets celebrate this mighty piece of British engineering. I wonder if I could get an old T55 and drive it around the paddock..How much would an old tank cost anyway??
Several issues with this.Take this scary bugger - the Challenger 2. The engineering is amazing - 26 litre, 12 cylinder diesel with 1200hp! And its British !
I read that there is a wide school of thought inside the Army that these things would help a lot in Afghanistan - saving British lives , reducing exposure to IED's, while deterring more of the bad guys. Experience backed up by the Canadians out there who have brought there Leopard tanks with them - but the British tanks are not in Afghanistan largely because of politics, costs and a lack of funding for the required infrastructure. In the world of new Labour, I guess this is to be expected..
Anyhow, I won't dwell on the politics.
Instead, lets celebrate this mighty piece of British engineering. I wonder if I could get an old T55 and drive it around the paddock..How much would an old tank cost anyway??
Tanks are still vulnerable to IEDs... some even more so because of the flat bottom.
-You can bring as much armour to a fight as you like .. someone will make/bury a bigger bomb.
You may struggle to "win hearts and minds" by accidentally bulldozing every afghan village you drove one through.
There is also no real threat for it to deal with as far as I am aware. The apache can do a similar job much more effectively.
The logisitcs issue is also understandable.. at 60+ tonnes a piece they are not that easy to ship about the place. And you will also need the support and recovery vehicles (yes a tank that can drag a broken tank home - CRAAV(Challenger Armoured Repair and Recovery Vehicle)).
But yes its a very impressive bit of kit and even more so fully armoured. With advances in weaponry (top attack anti armour etc) it may well be the last we see of this type of vehicle.
As for buying one I'm sure there is a website selling old bits of soviet kit.. someone will have probably posted a link while I've been writing this.. if not they will soon.
MoleVision said:
Tanks are still vulnerable to IEDs... some even more so because of the flat bottom.
-You can bring as much armour to a fight as you like .. someone will make/bury a bigger bomb.
You may struggle to "win hearts and minds" by accidentally bulldozing every afghan village you drove one through.
There is also no real threat for it to deal with as far as I am aware. The apache can do a similar job much more effectively.
The logisitcs issue is also understandable.. at 60+ tonnes a piece they are not that easy to ship about the place. And you will also need the support and recovery vehicles (yes a tank that can drag a broken tank home - CRAAV(Challenger Armoured Repair and Recovery Vehicle)).
But yes its a very impressive bit of kit and even more so fully armoured. With advances in weaponry (top attack anti armour etc) it may well be the last we see of this type of vehicle.
As for buying one I'm sure there is a website selling old bits of soviet kit.. someone will have probably posted a link while I've been writing this.. if not they will soon.
I thought that as well, but it seems that soldiers in the army don't agree..-You can bring as much armour to a fight as you like .. someone will make/bury a bigger bomb.
You may struggle to "win hearts and minds" by accidentally bulldozing every afghan village you drove one through.
There is also no real threat for it to deal with as far as I am aware. The apache can do a similar job much more effectively.
The logisitcs issue is also understandable.. at 60+ tonnes a piece they are not that easy to ship about the place. And you will also need the support and recovery vehicles (yes a tank that can drag a broken tank home - CRAAV(Challenger Armoured Repair and Recovery Vehicle)).
But yes its a very impressive bit of kit and even more so fully armoured. With advances in weaponry (top attack anti armour etc) it may well be the last we see of this type of vehicle.
As for buying one I'm sure there is a website selling old bits of soviet kit.. someone will have probably posted a link while I've been writing this.. if not they will soon.
The big advantage of a tank is that it does not have to fly away somewhere else unlike an Apache. The tank stays with the army unit. By all accounts they are very useful for breaking into compounds made out of mud from a distance with their guns, saving troops from having to do it on foot and so get blown up by IED's. And the Challenger has taken many hits from IED's that would have destroyed smaller vehicles.
By all accounts, where the Canadian and Danish tanks in Afghanistan have been available they have proven highly successful. So much so , that the Canadians ( who were going to give up their tanks) have now reversed their decision and are rushing to buy more Leopard tanks asap from the Germans to support Canadian troops in Afghanistan.
See here: http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=131000.h...
Anyway, if anyone has a link to anyone selling that old soviet stuff that would be cool..
toppstuff said:
MoleVision said:
Tanks are still vulnerable to IEDs... some even more so because of the flat bottom.
-You can bring as much armour to a fight as you like .. someone will make/bury a bigger bomb.
You may struggle to "win hearts and minds" by accidentally bulldozing every afghan village you drove one through.
There is also no real threat for it to deal with as far as I am aware. The apache can do a similar job much more effectively.
The logisitcs issue is also understandable.. at 60+ tonnes a piece they are not that easy to ship about the place. And you will also need the support and recovery vehicles (yes a tank that can drag a broken tank home - CRAAV(Challenger Armoured Repair and Recovery Vehicle)).
But yes its a very impressive bit of kit and even more so fully armoured. With advances in weaponry (top attack anti armour etc) it may well be the last we see of this type of vehicle.
As for buying one I'm sure there is a website selling old bits of soviet kit.. someone will have probably posted a link while I've been writing this.. if not they will soon.
I thought that as well, but it seems that soldiers in the army don't agree..-You can bring as much armour to a fight as you like .. someone will make/bury a bigger bomb.
You may struggle to "win hearts and minds" by accidentally bulldozing every afghan village you drove one through.
There is also no real threat for it to deal with as far as I am aware. The apache can do a similar job much more effectively.
The logisitcs issue is also understandable.. at 60+ tonnes a piece they are not that easy to ship about the place. And you will also need the support and recovery vehicles (yes a tank that can drag a broken tank home - CRAAV(Challenger Armoured Repair and Recovery Vehicle)).
But yes its a very impressive bit of kit and even more so fully armoured. With advances in weaponry (top attack anti armour etc) it may well be the last we see of this type of vehicle.
As for buying one I'm sure there is a website selling old bits of soviet kit.. someone will have probably posted a link while I've been writing this.. if not they will soon.
The big advantage of a tank is that it does not have to fly away somewhere else unlike an Apache. The tank stays with the army unit. By all accounts they are very useful for breaking into compounds made out of mud from a distance with their guns, saving troops from having to do it on foot and so get blown up by IED's. And the Challenger has taken many hits from IED's that would have destroyed smaller vehicles.
By all accounts, where the Canadian and Danish tanks in Afghanistan have been available they have proven highly successful. So much so , that the Canadians ( who were going to give up their tanks) have now reversed their decision and are rushing to buy more Leopard tanks asap from the Germans to support Canadian troops in Afghanistan.
See here: http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=131000.h...
Anyway, if anyone has a link to anyone selling that old soviet stuff that would be cool..
This guy is very helpful.
Edited by Blackpig2 on Monday 17th August 20:04
kit80 said:
I LOVE TANKS
I have been trying to buy a tank for ages, don't come up on Ebay much but this company as an interesting for sale section...
http://www.manbymotorplex.com/res_website.asp?supp...
They also own this cheftian which I took a picture of few weeks ago..
Anyone know how to hot wire a tank???
Kit
p.s. Your pic link was broken.
Please get a tank SJ....I have been trying to buy a tank for ages, don't come up on Ebay much but this company as an interesting for sale section...
http://www.manbymotorplex.com/res_website.asp?supp...
They also own this cheftian which I took a picture of few weeks ago..
Anyone know how to hot wire a tank???
Kit
p.s. Your pic link was broken.
skylinecrazy said:
kit80 said:
I LOVE TANKS
I have been trying to buy a tank for ages, don't come up on Ebay much but this company as an interesting for sale section...
http://www.manbymotorplex.com/res_website.asp?supp...
They also own this cheftian which I took a picture of few weeks ago..
Anyone know how to hot wire a tank???
Kit
p.s. Your pic link was broken.
Please get a tank SJ....I have been trying to buy a tank for ages, don't come up on Ebay much but this company as an interesting for sale section...
http://www.manbymotorplex.com/res_website.asp?supp...
They also own this cheftian which I took a picture of few weeks ago..
Anyone know how to hot wire a tank???
Kit
p.s. Your pic link was broken.
Have you seen the parking on my street?? I really want one tho. Or at least a go in one (legally) without having to join the army of course
I commanded on Chally 2 and yes it was a vast improvement on it's predecessor. The best bit of kit was the air-con system as there's nothing like being closed down in the sweltering heat boiling your tits off, so that item was welcomed with open arms.
Do I miss it? Hell yes! who wouldn't!
Do I miss it? Hell yes! who wouldn't!
Call yaself men! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Not as good as the Rapier missile launcher that was about a month ago
Not as good as the Rapier missile launcher that was about a month ago
wolf1 said:
I commanded on Chally 2 and yes it was a vast improvement on it's predecessor. The best bit of kit was the air-con system as there's nothing like being closed down in the sweltering heat boiling your tits off, so that item was welcomed with open arms.
Do I miss it? Hell yes! who wouldn't!
Wow. Most impressive. Is it the amazing machine it appears to be? They seem to be able to go pretty damn fast considering the weight involved. Do I miss it? Hell yes! who wouldn't!
Is it easy to park ? Whats the mpg like ? Is the service from the dealer any good?
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