Yantai, China car show
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uk_vette

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3,336 posts

233 months

Sunday 30th August 2009
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Here the imported cars are crazy expensive.
The 'home market' cars are much more in line with local prices.
Still the R8 got sold
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Civpilot

6,257 posts

269 months

Sunday 30th August 2009
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Loving the chinese badges on the Mondeo biggrin

uk_vette

Original Poster:

3,336 posts

233 months

Sunday 30th August 2009
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Yea, kinda' stick out eh !

I should have snapped the back end of the Land Cruisers, they also have it all in Chinese .

I might get myself along to the local Toyota dealer and get me a set before I return to UK smile

'vette


AJI

5,180 posts

246 months

Sunday 30th August 2009
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China has a 200% import tax on foreign products is that correct?

I went to have a look at the Ferrari dealership in Shanghai last year and asked about prices, a F430 and F599 is approximately twice the cost to buy in China as they are in Europe.


Saying that, during the 6 months I was out there I did see 4 Ferrari's on the street, and a few Porsches.....so as with all major cities, there are people who have money to burn.


Something strange happens with tax also with Chinese home-made products....in that in the Shanghai area on the outskirts of the city there is an industry trade zone whereby home-made products go into here, then they are exported/imported (not sure which word is correct to use here), back from this trade zone back into the city (or distributed to other chinese cities) where they are sold with inflated prices.

I'm really not sure how it all works but when I was buying Chinese made I.T. goods I was expecting to see them at a fraction of the cost relative to the rest of the world..... basically because they are made there and in nearby cities.... so the only extra cost I was expecting was shipping if at all necessary. But most I.T. products were similar prices as to be found anywhere else in the world.

Very strange.



Edited by AJI on Sunday 30th August 15:23

uk_vette

Original Poster:

3,336 posts

233 months

Sunday 30th August 2009
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AJI said:
China has a 200% import tax on foreign products is that correct?

I went to have a look at the Ferrari dealership in Shanghai last year and asked about prices, a F430 and F599 is approximately twice the cost to buy in China as they are in Europe.


Saying that, during the 6 months I was out there I did see 4 Ferrari's on the street, and a few Porsches.....so as with all major cities, there are people who have money to burn.
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Hi,

There is serious money in China.
The cars just around Yantai is unbelievable.
Range Rover Vouges, BMW X5, 200 series Land Cruisers, 120 series Prados, Escalades,

There is money here even with the high import tax

pits

6,704 posts

219 months

Sunday 30th August 2009
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BYD=KIA????

Anyone buy the Cataracts???

uk_vette

Original Poster:

3,336 posts

233 months

Sunday 30th August 2009
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pits said:
BYD=KIA????

Anyone buy the Cataracts???
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No, KIA had their own stand.

pits

6,704 posts

219 months

Monday 31st August 2009
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uk_vette said:
pits said:
BYD=KIA????

Anyone buy the Cataracts???
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No, KIA had their own stand.
So they stole KIAs badge and put BYD in it?

Negative Creep

26,054 posts

256 months

Monday 31st August 2009
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AJI said:
Saying that, during the 6 months I was out there I did see 4 Ferrari's on the street, and a few Porsches.....so as with all major cities, there are people who have money to burn.
Marx would be proud

GC8

19,910 posts

219 months

Monday 31st August 2009
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AJI said:
China has a 200% import tax on foreign products is that correct?
Can you imagine their rants about our 'imperialist repression' if we landed their rubber dogsh*t (and other crap) with a similar import duty?

jamoor

14,506 posts

244 months

Monday 31st August 2009
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They make knock off corollas



I was shocked when I sat inone, it was a taxi in China!

DennisTheMenace

15,605 posts

297 months

Monday 31st August 2009
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The chinese mondeo gets led tail lamps not the fakes we have here and the parking sensors show up on convers+ as well like the 5 series .


I need to get out more paperbag


Far Eastender

1,362 posts

247 months

Monday 31st August 2009
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AJI said:
China has a 200% import tax on foreign products is that correct?

I went to have a look at the Ferrari dealership in Shanghai last year and asked about prices, a F430 and F599 is approximately twice the cost to buy in China as they are in Europe.


Saying that, during the 6 months I was out there I did see 4 Ferrari's on the street, and a few Porsches.....so as with all major cities, there are people who have money to burn.


Something strange happens with tax also with Chinese home-made products....in that in the Shanghai area on the outskirts of the city there is an industry trade zone whereby home-made products go into here, then they are exported/imported (not sure which word is correct to use here), back from this trade zone back into the city (or distributed to other chinese cities) where they are sold with inflated prices.

I'm really not sure how it all works but when I was buying Chinese made I.T. goods I was expecting to see them at a fraction of the cost relative to the rest of the world..... basically because they are made there and in nearby cities.... so the only extra cost I was expecting was shipping if at all necessary. But most I.T. products were similar prices as to be found anywhere else in the world.

Very strange.



Edited by AJI on Sunday 30th August 15:23
If a factory doesn't have a domestic sales License then it has to export what it makes locally (ie Hong Kong) and re-import the goods with a 27% import duty. All imported raw materials for export items are tax exempt to keep the external prioes competitive.

XJSJohn

16,151 posts

248 months

Monday 31st August 2009
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It is scary the money knocking about in Asia.

for example, a brand new Gallardo costs about GBP220k here in Singa ... there are over 150 of them registered!!!!

Nissan GTR = GBP80k and there are over 400!!!

997's are two a penny too!

uk_vette

Original Poster:

3,336 posts

233 months

Tuesday 1st September 2009
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pits said:
uk_vette said:
pits said:
BYD=KIA????

Anyone buy the Cataracts???
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No, KIA had their own stand.
So they stole KIAs badge and put BYD in it?
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They do it with every thing !

I will get a photo of a Prado, looks almost the exact same as a genuine Prado.

'vette

XJSJohn

16,151 posts

248 months

Tuesday 1st September 2009
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uk_vette said:
pits said:
uk_vette said:
pits said:
BYD=KIA????

Anyone buy the Cataracts???
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No, KIA had their own stand.
So they stole KIAs badge and put BYD in it?
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They do it with every thing !

I will get a photo of a Prado, looks almost the exact same as a genuine Prado.

'vette
nono they call it reverse engineered

pits

6,704 posts

219 months

Tuesday 1st September 2009
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TVR Moneypit said:
jamoor said:
They make knock off corollas



I was shocked when I sat inone, it was a taxi in China!
I'd rather be in one of those than the red Citroen ZX saloons eek
I dont know I have seen the crash testing of Chinese cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbe5ILICT4M&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=245NCBsj4Lc&fea...



eta:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A&fea...

Edited by pits on Tuesday 1st September 11:02

jamoor

14,506 posts

244 months

Tuesday 1st September 2009
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pits said:
TVR Moneypit said:
jamoor said:
They make knock off corollas



I was shocked when I sat inone, it was a taxi in China!
I'd rather be in one of those than the red Citroen ZX saloons eek
I dont know I have seen the crash testing of Chinese cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbe5ILICT4M&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=245NCBsj4Lc&fea...



eta:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A&fea...

Edited by pits on Tuesday 1st September 11:02
Crikey, good thing I didn't crash then!

bridgdav

4,805 posts

277 months

Tuesday 1st September 2009
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AJI said:
China has a 200% import tax on foreign products is that correct?

I went to have a look at the Ferrari dealership in Shanghai last year and asked about prices, a F430 and F599 is approximately twice the cost to buy in China as they are in Europe.


Saying that, during the 6 months I was out there I did see 4 Ferrari's on the street, and a few Porsches.....so as with all major cities, there are people who have money to burn.


Something strange happens with tax also with Chinese home-made products....in that in the Shanghai area on the outskirts of the city there is an industry trade zone whereby home-made products go into here, then they are exported/imported (not sure which word is correct to use here), back from this trade zone back into the city (or distributed to other chinese cities) where they are sold with inflated prices.

I'm really not sure how it all works but when I was buying Chinese made I.T. goods I was expecting to see them at a fraction of the cost relative to the rest of the world..... basically because they are made there and in nearby cities.... so the only extra cost I was expecting was shipping if at all necessary. But most I.T. products were similar prices as to be found anywhere else in the world.

Very strange.
China has some very strange Import & Export Taxation. Anything that is made / assembled in China.

If items to be assembled in China are bought in from Outside the country, thay have a very heavy Tax applied. If they are then exported, some of that tax is reimbursed (but not all)

If products are wholly produced and made in China, then less so. That's why you can buy a Bicycle or moped for about £20 / £100 respectively.

A lot of the IT / electronic components are bought from outside China (malaysia etc), so they have the taxes applied.
Also, Brands and products which originate outside China have a heavy tax levvy (Nike, Adidas etc) even if they are made within the country, unless they have been made under a special liscense. VW and now Cheverolet selling their 'Santana' range of cars for instance.

DennisTheMenace

15,605 posts

297 months

Tuesday 1st September 2009
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pits said:
TVR Moneypit said:
jamoor said:
They make knock off corollas



I was shocked when I sat inone, it was a taxi in China!
I'd rather be in one of those than the red Citroen ZX saloons eek
I dont know I have seen the crash testing of Chinese cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbe5ILICT4M&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=245NCBsj4Lc&fea...



eta:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A&fea...

Edited by pits on Tuesday 1st September 11:02
That last one is the old seat toledo.

ETA the orange pickup is a vw type3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ursPyNfmfA8&fea...

Edited by DennisTheMenace on Tuesday 1st September 11:42