RE: PH Fleet: Porsche 944 S2
RE: PH Fleet: Porsche 944 S2
Wednesday 2nd September 2009

PH Fleet: Porsche 944 S2

Garlick buys a 20-year-old Porsche to keep the Range Rover company.



It seems a little late to introduce this car as some of you will have read my posts about it already, and others will have seen it in the metal, but for those of you that haven’t been introduced – meet my Porsche 944 S2.

A few months ago I must have been feeling slightly odd as not only did I sell my Audi RS2, but my 190E also went to a new home. Suddenly I was feeling a little strange, as my V5 pile had been reduced to a lonely looking one, and that was for my much loved (and often broken) Range Rover V8 (but more on that later). So I immediately started scouring the classifieds of PH for another car, but I didn’t have a clue what I wanted all I knew was I needed another car, sharpish.


Like many PHers, I have a soft spot for all things Porsche, a deep-rooted love that was established when I first drove a 964 C2 back in 1993. It was many years later that I owned a Boxster S and, while I try and save up for my dream 964RS, I decided that it would be nice to own another old Porsche again, especially after the recently enjoyed Porsche/Audi mix provided by my RS2. I spent ages deliberating over classic 964s and 968s before having a little look in the 944 section to see what they fetch these days.

It was then I spotted a white 1990 944 with 150k miles being advertised within an hours drive from home for a very reasonable price. Reasonable enough, in fact, to be used as a daily driver without worrying too much about the consequences. I just so happened to be passing that way later in the week, so I arranged to view it to see what it was all about, not really with any intentions of buying it. On the day, I rolled into the sellers driveway to see a rather shiny 944 S2 looking especially nice in ‘back in fashion’ white, and looking nice and original. Before I even took the test drive or knocked on the sellers door I knew that it wouldn’t feel that fast as it only delivered 208bhp when new, but I had driven a 944 S2 cabrio previously and I remember liking the torque provided by the 3.0-litre four and its smooth nature. I also remember how fantastic the seats were and how cosy the cabin felt. Already I had mentally bought the car I came to merely hang my nose over.


Vendor Lee was a trader (and a PHer) and he had been using the ’44 as his smoker and, rather than trying to gloss over the faults, he was keen to point them out and be us upfront as possible – decent chap that he was. All in all it was a very honest, largely corrosion-free lump of German sports car. It even had a decent history and was very, very original, with freshly refurbished wheels, pinstripe velour interior and a period cassette holder in the centre console. It was strong on the test drive, and belied its age with the feeling of solidity rarely found in modern cars; it even came with spare keys and the original handbook pack. It was now simply down to price, and we agreed on a touch over £3000 with a fresh MOT, oil and filter service and new front brake discs and pads thrown in. The tax was out at the end of September and the CD player was a little dodgy, but I could live with that.  


A week later and I’m driving the car back to London and feeling pretty good about it all. The sun is shining and the car is looking good as Lee had given it a once over before I arrived to collect it. As is usual for a new purchase, I was driving with the radio off to listen for noises and suchlike, a few rattles were obvious but this car had travelled 150,000 miles don’t forget. It was on that drive that the usual happened - it went from being a car I would drive until it died to a potentially treasured possession. Already I was thinking of replacing this, updating that and wondering how much a 964RS steering wheel could be bought for….oh dear. The guys at PH always open a book as to how much I will spend on my latest cars, with 100 per cent or more of the purchase price often being about right I’m sad to say, but surely not this time? This is one very solid 944.


Two or three weeks later and I’ve started chatting to the guys at Porsche Byfleet. They used to look after my Boxster S and have looked after this 944 for a large chunk of its life funnily enough, but the maintenance has slipped with the last couple of owners so it needs a health check. I book it in for a thorough going over and a budget in my head. When the call arrives, I am pleasantly surprised as they tell me that it is a very straight car and remarkably solid. Needless to say I am very pleased. The conversation doesn’t end there and there are a few bits that they would fix, and I have already given them a list of things I want doing, ranging from a new mirror glass to a new steering rack (it was making an odd noise). In the end I had the following work done to it:


New steering rack, new wipers, new gear lever, new gaiter and knob, sticking passenger door handle sorted, new starter motor, camshafts checked, new cambelt, fuel and oil lines cleaned out and replaced as needed, new oil seals while cambelt removed, new anti-roll bar drop links, brackets and bushes, a new boot switch and a host of other things. I told you I was fussy about my cars.

I was tempted to put original Porsche brake discs and pads back on the car (the newly fitted ones are non-genuine) but in a surprising twist of frugality I decided to wear the new ones out a bit first. The guys at Porsche Byfleet did a great job of keeping me updated and the S2 was looking at its best when I collected it after a full valet. My bill was £2726, and while I could have used an independent, I chose to stick with the guys I know and they didn’t disappoint.  


So here I am with a total expenditure of just under £2800. That's not quite 100 per cent of the purchase price, but I have just bought a new CD head unit at £100 and a full set of tyres will be required soon, so yet again the PH team are right….and I hate them for it! What I have ended up with, though, is a very tight-feeling and fresh-looking 90s Porsche for less that the price of a Fiat Panda. It handles better than many modern cars, it has ample performance and I might be as brave as to suggest that it is a design classic. Yes, it has Group 20 insurance and yes, when it needs parts they might be a little more expensive than a ‘normal’ car, but I bet it won’t lose me much money (maybe) and I absolutely love it. Next time I write about it, I’ll tell you the most important part - how it drives - and I’ll be driving it a lot as this one is a keeper…….. but where have you heard that before?

PH Staff cars....abandoned Rangie visible.
PH Staff cars....abandoned Rangie visible.
Talking of keepers, remember the Range Rover V8? Well it soldiers on after overheating in spectacular style when I didn’t realise that it didn’t have any water in it. The lack of liquid was due to a combination of rotten hoses and worn gaskets and the regal Rangie was rather unceremoniously taken back to PH Towers on the back of a flatbed. The resulting bill to fix the mess was over £500 but after that all was well and it commuted me around London at between 10-15mpg. But true to form good things don’t last forever and the alternator expired last week leaving it sitting in the car park waiting for me to fit the new one that sits under my desk. Old cars, you have to love them don’t you?

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stuart-b

Original Poster:

3,651 posts

252 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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Garlick, fantastic car - but you could have done all those repairs over a weekend for less than £700 for the parts (reconditioned starter, steering rack, etc. Couple of hours to fit. Rocker cover off, check cams... no scratches. Save the £3k+ bills for the gearbox rebuild and clutch you will probably need soon if it hasn't had it already).

Not really got the idea of bangernomics yet have you? laughlaugh

Anyway, good choice!

Garlick

40,601 posts

266 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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stuart-b said:
but you could have done all those repairs over a weekend for less than £700 for the parts
I knew that was coming, but genuinely I'm happy so thumbup

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

268 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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It looked mighty fine on the road when we followed you out of The Ace a few weeks back.

Still has plenty of presence.

Gizmo!

18,150 posts

235 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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Garlick said:
the usual happened - it went from being a car I would drive until it died to a potentially treasured possession. Already I was thinking of replacing this, updating that and wondering how much a 964RS steering wheel could be bought for….oh dear.
rofl
I'm glad it's not just me.
After a week driving my MX-5 I'd priced up approximately 150% of the purchase price on potential 'tweaks and tinkerings'. Resisting the temptation so far though... mostly...

Ricky944s2

205 posts

218 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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Excellent choice!!! Engine in the front, gearbox in the back, and a nut in the middle!!! laugh In that classic Porker white too!!!! You will love it, and probably find it surprisingly easy to live with!!! Ive had mine for a year and a half, started off as a garage queen, now been using it every day in the summer!! biggrin

Im around the same mileage too, if you venture onto Porsche Club website theres a register for you mileage with most of them around the 150k mark and still going strong!!!! Health to enjoy!!! biggrin

S3_Graham

12,835 posts

225 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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been looking at these for ages, another one for the list of cars i want!

shouldbworking

4,799 posts

238 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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6 grand is insanity! Any reason you didnt buy a mint turbo instead????

Rarefied Brains

847 posts

231 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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You won't regret it. 944s are simply fantastic cars and one of the industry's best kept secrets IMO.

Garlick

40,601 posts

266 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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shouldbworking said:
6 grand is insanity! Any reason you didnt buy a mint turbo instead????
Prefer the S2 as a daily, simple as that really. Don't worry too much about the outlay - it was spent to get a car I was happy with rather that to recoup it all later. A bit back would be nice, but lets see when I come to sell it. smile

TEKNOPUG

20,409 posts

231 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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Garlick said:
but I bet it won’t lose me much money
Apart from the £2k that you’ve just lost through labour costs, never to be seen again….looks in very good nick though for a 20 something Porker smile

LHD

17,002 posts

213 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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Looks great.

There will be a pile of used Scottish tenners when you decide you've had enough. thumbup

Chris71

21,549 posts

268 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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Damn you Garlick! I want to buy one again now. biggrin

Renn Sport

2,761 posts

235 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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I had a 924-S and its was an amazing car, very smooth. I found the Mitsubishi licenced balance shafts made the engine super smooth. Some of the best ever shifts I have ever done were with that engine and box.

Enjoy your 944 but I have say I would have cried at seeing a bill for £2800.

I do my own spanner work. Still if you are happy and the car is running well. Top job smile


cullen

238 posts

231 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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Why am I suddenly looking at this http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1213444.htm thinking I must have it in my life?

Ecurie Ecosse

4,812 posts

244 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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That looks great! I have a real soft spot for the S2.

I didn't realise you had sold the RS2.

Wigeon Incognito

3,274 posts

244 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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I spent similar on my S2 when I bought it.

Even if you buy a 'minter' I suspect you'd easily find a way to spend £1-1.5k on it straight away whatever the condition just for peace of mind.

anonymous-user

80 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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great looking car! smile

"New steering rack, new wipers, new gear lever, new gaiter and knob, sticking passenger door handle sorted, new starter motor, camshafts checked, new cambelt, fuel and oil lines cleaned out and replaced as needed, new oil seals while cambelt removed, new anti-roll bar drop links, brackets and bushes, a new boot switch... My bill was £2726"

WTF!!! seriously?


Edited by fbrs on Wednesday 2nd September 13:51

jpalmer

24 posts

300 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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Rarefied Brains said:
You won't regret it. 944s are simply fantastic cars and one of the industry's best kept secrets IMO.
Any of the 944's with the 16v would be a good road/track car but with the S2, you get the cleaner turbo look.
I loved my little S- the non-red 2 piston brakes were the best I ever had in a car. With the right stuff, it was a slot car on the track.

The only problem I had was the trans ate it at a track event. Easy enough to replace though. Could have used an LSD... but that would have cost as much as the car itself.

HAB

3,632 posts

253 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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Gaz. said:
shouldbworking said:
6 grand is insanity! Any reason you didnt buy a mint turbo instead????
£6k doesn't buy a mint turbo
Exactly. You might get a good (not immac)S2 for that, but a mint Turbo? - no way.

Edited by HAB on Wednesday 2nd September 13:54

adycav

7,615 posts

243 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2009
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Excellent 944.

The interior in particular looks remarkably fresh.

ps please don't mention the 964RS again as I too would like one sometime, and the values are steep enough as it is!