Any such thing as a cheap Defender?
Any such thing as a cheap Defender?
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paddyhasneeds

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63,121 posts

231 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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These are starting to grow on me, partly because most older 4x4's look like st when they have a few knocks but arguably they give these "character", however, prices seem to be absolutely all over the shop?

Where do you begin with these?

OllieWinchester

5,694 posts

213 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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Where do you begin? Normally with welding, I find.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

225 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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Buy on condition not age


paddyhasneeds

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63,121 posts

231 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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As an example, this almost looks too good/cheap?

http://www.galaxy-carsales.co.uk/details.asp?offse...

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

225 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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Ask me again after i have been underneath it for ten minutes with a small hammer

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

238 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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You could also look at an early Discovery- pretty much interchangeable hardware and cheap parts, but cheaper to buy in the first place.

paddyhasneeds

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Saturday 23rd January 2010
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thinfourth2 said:
Ask me again after i have been underneath it for ten minutes with a small hammer
Seriously? Because the way I read that, I could quite easily wander into a total rust-trap that looks good on the outside?

10p - regards the Disco, prefer a SWB and as I said the workhorse looks are starting to grow on me. I also assume a Disco starts to stray into territory where sometimes you need dealer facilities vs. a man with a spanner?

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

238 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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paddyhasneeds said:
thinfourth2 said:
Ask me again after i have been underneath it for ten minutes with a small hammer
Seriously? Because the way I read that, I could quite easily wander into a total rust-trap that looks good on the outside?

10p - regards the Disco, prefer a SWB and as I said the workhorse looks are starting to grow on me. I also assume a Disco starts to stray into territory where sometimes you need dealer facilities vs. a man with a spanner?
Not really, same 200/300 tdi engines and spanner stuff.

dilbert

7,741 posts

252 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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Why do people have a penchant for nailing chequer plate to the wings of these lovely old motors?

Strikes me as it's awful, especially since its the modern stuff, and not the more subtle diamond pattern stuff.

Older the better if you ask me.

In answer to the OP, I don't think there is.

Cooky

4,955 posts

258 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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Here's an extremely overpriced one


paddyhasneeds

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Saturday 23rd January 2010
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What should I be asking if trying to get some basic info prior to going to look?

By that, I mean Defender specific stuff vs. "Is it a shed?".

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

238 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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Tip: Never buy one that's lived on a farm. Cowst and chassis that like to rot are not good bedfellows.

sherman

14,795 posts

236 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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I would say £4000 for an F reg defender is about right. Just make sure you seal the underside when you get it and then you can drive through virtually anything.

thinfourth2

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225 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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paddyhasneeds said:
thinfourth2 said:
Ask me again after i have been underneath it for ten minutes with a small hammer
Seriously? Because the way I read that, I could quite easily wander into a total rust-trap that looks good on the outside?
I know where to hit them

But it depends on your own skills and budget

You could buy a 200Tdi defender for 4 grand and then spend another 4 to 5 grand sticking a new chassis on it with a good overhaul of the oily bits and have a damn near brand new defender.

They are notorious for rotting on the rear crossmember which is quite easy to find with some love taps

Eggman

1,253 posts

232 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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thinfourth2 said:
They are notorious for rotting on the rear crossmember which is quite easy to find with some love taps
...and the bulkhead, and the bulkhead outriggers, and for some reason mine has rot in the dumbirons as well as in the main chassis rails where the outriggers attach. I have some welding to do once the weather improves!

I would approach something like that F plate 90 above very cautiously indeed. For one thing, it has a Discovery engine fitted - I would want to know the exact provenance of that, and would have a careful look at the engine number to make sure. I would also be very interested in the pipework under that inlet manifold, because the Discovery installation is not a straightforward fit in the Defender engine bay - I forget what fouls on what exactly, but it's more usual to use a Defender manifold. It also looks to have been resprayed, so I would try to work out what the vehicle was like before - the amount of muck on the washer bottle and the newly carpeted load area suggests that it may not have been too smart. Also, the rear crossmember looks suspiciously good for its age. Hmmm. Going by the photos, it's either a really good example or something to run a mile from!

anonymous-user

75 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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If you can find one in good condition, go for a 200/300 TDI not one of the old turbo diesel ones, if it has been well treated it will but a far my enjoyable drive. As has been said check in detail for rust and rot, these kill landys and a new galvanised chassis is not cheap! I have seen these selling (i was going to get one) any where from £2500 to £6500, and a modifed one in good condition tends to demand a huge premium.

paddyhasneeds

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231 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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WS13 postcode, £4k budget, fk all idea what all the different models are yet biggrin

Links welcome!

Eggman

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232 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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champ54321 said:
a new galvanised chassis is not cheap
I don't think they're too badly priced, for what they are - a new galvanised chassis for my 110 200Tdi CSW can be had for about £1200 delivered, and that's a nicely made one where they've cleaned all the galv out of the holes and run a tap down them for you. I reckon that all the other bits needed for the job (brake pipes, fuel pipes, bushes etc - and in my case a new fuel tank) would bring the total up to a bit over £2000 (LR parts are gratifyingly cheap). Of course, if you're paying someone else to do it then you could probably double that - but paying other people isn't really what running old Land Rovers is about. They need far too much work for that to be a good idea wink

Beyond Rational

3,544 posts

236 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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Look in some Landy mags for buying guides, they're usually doing one.

Find a dedicated club/forum in your area and get involved.

BLUETHUNDER

7,881 posts

281 months

Saturday 23rd January 2010
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dilbert said:
Why do people have a penchant for nailing chequer plate to the wings of these lovely old motors?

Strikes me as it's awful, especially since its the modern stuff, and not the more subtle diamond pattern stuff.

Older the better if you ask me.

In answer to the OP, I don't think there is.
To quote you. It wasn't just "people" But Land Rover themselves carried out the practice.