Golf GTD 170 - what do you reckon?
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Si 330 said:
I had the passat with that engine so slightly heavier but it never went above 40mpg averaged around 38mpg. You will feel very underwhelmed compared to the Mini.
Ditto. SWMBO was unfortunate enough to have an Altea FR with that engine and it was just s
te. Delivered mid 30's mpg on a sedate motorway run and whilst diesels aren't renowned for having a characterful engine note, this thing sounded like a 20 year old Transit. Maybe we just had a bad one 
as the car had other issues but trading it in was cause for celebration and I'll never buy a car from the VAG brands again. It won't be anything like as entertaining to drive as your Cooper S (we've had one of those too)
.Johnny Drama said:
Si 330 said:
I had the passat with that engine so slightly heavier but it never went above 40mpg averaged around 38mpg. You will feel very underwhelmed compared to the Mini.
Ditto. SWMBO was unfortunate enough to have an Altea FR with that engine and it was just ste. Delivered mid 30's mpg on a sedate motorway run and whilst diesels aren't renowned for having a characterful engine note, this thing sounded like a 20 year old Transit. Maybe we just had a bad one as the car had other issues but trading it in was cause for celebration and I'll never buy a car from the VAG brands again. It won't be anything like as entertaining to drive as your Cooper S (we've had one of those too)
.Bit of a misfit
A Scirocco GT TDI 170 can be had for less, yet is better equipped and offers the same performance/ economy combination
A BMW 120d has it licked on performance, drive and economy yet costs no more
An A3 TDI 170 costs pretty much the same and again same sort of performance and economy as the Golf Just checked and it seems now the Golf GTD is here Audi have discontinued the A3 2.0 TDI 170 
Can't think why you would buy the GTD over the above. If they had kept the 2.0 TDI 170 as a 'GT' then it would have been OK as it would have undercut all the above, but calling it a GTD and making it a sort of diesel GTI (yet slower than the GT TSI 160) has left it rather expensive and pointless.
A Scirocco GT TDI 170 can be had for less, yet is better equipped and offers the same performance/ economy combination
A BMW 120d has it licked on performance, drive and economy yet costs no more
Can't think why you would buy the GTD over the above. If they had kept the 2.0 TDI 170 as a 'GT' then it would have been OK as it would have undercut all the above, but calling it a GTD and making it a sort of diesel GTI (yet slower than the GT TSI 160) has left it rather expensive and pointless.
Edited by va1o on Thursday 3rd June 23:58
I've got the 140 in GT spec and that's got a goodly amount of shove and go (economy's not bad either) so I reckon the 170 should have a lot of go 
If cost is a factor, you could consider a well spec'd 140 GT and bank the difference and/or consider a crafty remap for about £300 up to 180bhp....
If cost is a factor, you could consider a well spec'd 140 GT and bank the difference and/or consider a crafty remap for about £300 up to 180bhp....
Fox- said:
billyliar said:
And to me, torque is shove. The GTD has a healthy amount.
Yes but its a diesel, so the powerband ends at about 4000rpm therefore the actual torque through the wheels compared to, say, a GTI doesnt reflect the figure on paper, does it?I had one for a test drive for a weekend and stalled it umpteen times, because it hasn't got enough torque to pull the skin off a rice rudding from idle.
I found this aspect of the engine very surprising (having never driven a diesel with no torque at those rpms before).
My *petrol* car is much better in this respect.
I can only recommend getting the dual clutch gearbox to get around it.
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Fox- said:
billyliar said:
And to me, torque is shove. The GTD has a healthy amount.
Yes but its a diesel, so the powerband ends at about 4000rpm therefore the actual torque through the wheels compared to, say, a GTI doesnt reflect the figure on paper, does it?They do sound very noisy on idle however and as mentioned above at very low rpm i.e 1500 they drop off boost and are very sluggish. However compared to other diesel engines its pretty good and has a much larger linear powerband, the only downside being it doesn't 'feel' quite as quick as the PD's.
billyliar said:
I can't get over the crazy list price. Although I'm not paying, it will effect the tax I pay.
including the contribution towards this car, it'll cost me around 200 a month.
Currently I'm paying 150 for insurance alone.
It will cost you £200 plus the loss in cash allowance you'd get otherwise ?including the contribution towards this car, it'll cost me around 200 a month.
Currently I'm paying 150 for insurance alone.
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