Clocking cars??
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I have recently been informed of someone known to me (that i don't like) that has started selling cars and has been clocking them. I know it is abit of Chinese whispers but what would happen to them if they were to be caught? they sell them as private and trade sale's from there house.
This sort of thing really gets under my skin as i try to earn an honest living.
This sort of thing really gets under my skin as i try to earn an honest living.
E30 sam said:
I have recently been informed of someone known to me (that i don't like) that has started selling cars and has been clocking them. I know it is abit of Chinese whispers but what would happen to them if they were to be caught? they sell them as private and trade sale's from there house.
This sort of thing really gets under my skin as i try to earn an honest living.
would've thought they'd get bThis sort of thing really gets under my skin as i try to earn an honest living.
ked for fraud if they get caught
Cheers for the fast reply guys.
I've been looking on the web and it seems that it is hard to prove that someone is doing it and as he sometimes sells privately there wouldn't be much that could be done (or that is what i understood). As a trader he would get in alot of trouble?
The thing is from what i've heard he could make good money with out doing it but he is being greedy, and he has only just set up doing it all i think is he is running before he can walk. I believe it was one of those millage correction companies that just came round and did it.
I've been looking on the web and it seems that it is hard to prove that someone is doing it and as he sometimes sells privately there wouldn't be much that could be done (or that is what i understood). As a trader he would get in alot of trouble?
The thing is from what i've heard he could make good money with out doing it but he is being greedy, and he has only just set up doing it all i think is he is running before he can walk. I believe it was one of those millage correction companies that just came round and did it.
E30 sam said:
What is the actual law on this?
Mileages can be adjusted for legitimate reason - eg faulty clocks, replacement clocks and so on. I'm not 100% on this but I don't think actually changing the mileage is illegal - the illegal bit is misrepresenting it when it comes to sale time?
Happy to be corrected though....
If you buy and sell more than 6 cars a year your regarded as a trader. So you have to pay tax on any profit. Which if he is selling from his drive he wont be doing, as he would need a trading licence which he wouldnt get as he is selling from a residential area. I know my local authority dont grant them for residentials. Im guessing 99% of local authorites are the same. He will have all sort of governent agencies after money from him. Not sure how good they are at getting it back. But I wouldnt want them swarming around me for money. He will be in the st if he is shopped which he should be. Especialy if he is clocking cars. I didn't know this went on much these days as garages are logging the mileage when a car goes near them.
t if he is shopped which he should be. Especialy if he is clocking cars. I didn't know this went on much these days as garages are logging the mileage when a car goes near them.Celt said:
If you buy and sell more than 6 cars a year your regarded as a trader. So you have to pay tax on any profit. Which if he is selling from his drive he wont be doing, as he would need a trading licence which he wouldnt get as he is selling from a residential area. I know my local authority dont grant them for residentials. Im guessing 99% of local authorites are the same. He will have all sort of governent agencies after money from him. Not sure how good they are at getting it back. But I wouldnt want them swarming around me for money. He will be in the st if he is shopped which he should be. Especialy if he is clocking cars. I didn't know this went on much these days as garages are logging the mileage when a car goes near them.
Most of what you have written is wrong.t if he is shopped which he should be. Especialy if he is clocking cars. I didn't know this went on much these days as garages are logging the mileage when a car goes near them.You can buy and sell one car a year and be a trader. It is all about whether the car has been purchased to sell on for a profit.
A "trading license", please tell me more?
paoloh said:
Celt said:
If you buy and sell more than 6 cars a year your regarded as a trader. So you have to pay tax on any profit. Which if he is selling from his drive he wont be doing, as he would need a trading licence which he wouldnt get as he is selling from a residential area. I know my local authority dont grant them for residentials. Im guessing 99% of local authorites are the same. He will have all sort of governent agencies after money from him. Not sure how good they are at getting it back. But I wouldnt want them swarming around me for money. He will be in the st if he is shopped which he should be. Especialy if he is clocking cars. I didn't know this went on much these days as garages are logging the mileage when a car goes near them.
Most of what you have written is wrong.t if he is shopped which he should be. Especialy if he is clocking cars. I didn't know this went on much these days as garages are logging the mileage when a car goes near them.You can buy and sell one car a year and be a trader. It is all about whether the car has been purchased to sell on for a profit.
A "trading license", please tell me more?
The guy I bought the car from fixed the head gasket on the car I bought from him. It blew after a week. He didnt skim the cylinder head which must of been humped so the engine packed in 36 hours after the repair. He worked as a mobile mechanic that is why he done the repair. I spoke to him after that and he wasnt interested he just denied any wrong doing. So I went through trading standards. They said they would speak to inland revenue. He had alot of fingers in alot of pies. Not many of them would be completely legitimate. But he had property leased out to people and the tab was picked up by the housing department I believe. The council were aware of the guy I bought the car from so im unsure if this is why they told other departments or if its just a matter of course to tell the tax man.
Im unsure about the trading licence. If it was for selling or fixing cars im not a mechanic or trader. Could possibly be a local thing. It was Renfrewshire council I was dealing with. The guy eventually gave me my money back and took the car away. It took about 2 months. I had started going through the small claims court. I believe the guy thought this would of been forgotten about if he paid the money back. Trading Standards said the civil case had been resolved but they had begun a criminal case against him. This was coming up for a year ago. Im unsure how it ended but he still sells cars.
Not meaning to fabricate anything just writing about from what I believed was the procedure. More than willing to accept its not fuly accurate if you know more about it than myself.
Celt said:
If you buy and sell more than 6 cars a year your regarded as a trader. So you have to pay tax on any profit. Which if he is selling from his drive he wont be doing, as he would need a trading licence which he wouldnt get as he is selling from a residential area.
I know several traders who sell from their driveways. They a properly Registered as well.E30 sam said:
What is the actual law on this?
I think it depends on what is being said and done.It's not illegal to sell a clocked car, or even to clock a car. But selling it as a guaranteed mileage when it's been clocked is something different.
However, the bigger issue to get them on is posing as a private seller if they are trade.
Selling a clocked car is a big deal, not just for financial reasons, you are also endangering the new owner as components won't be replaced at the correct time. A cambelt failure could potentially be very dangerous and cause an accident for example.
While not knowing the car is clocked is still a defence for private sellers, actually reducing the mileage back prior to sale isn't as it shows the car was knowingly clocked.
While not knowing the car is clocked is still a defence for private sellers, actually reducing the mileage back prior to sale isn't as it shows the car was knowingly clocked.
CampDavid said:
Selling a clocked car is a big deal, not just for financial reasons, you are also endangering the new owner as components won't be replaced at the correct time. A cambelt failure could potentially be very dangerous and cause an accident for example.
But can you prove any of this??At auction when they sell cars they with have a guaranteed mileage or not. The former have some documentation to support it, the latter don't. Just because the mileometer displays a number doesn't mean it's correct.
300bhp/ton said:
CampDavid said:
Selling a clocked car is a big deal, not just for financial reasons, you are also endangering the new owner as components won't be replaced at the correct time. A cambelt failure could potentially be very dangerous and cause an accident for example.
But can you prove any of this??At auction when they sell cars they with have a guaranteed mileage or not. The former have some documentation to support it, the latter don't. Just because the mileometer displays a number doesn't mean it's correct.
That said, I don't think they can be very acurate on older cars.
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