Would you buy an electric car?
Would you buy an electric car?
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off_again

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13,917 posts

264 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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Being a sad geeky techie type person, I am quite interested in electric cars with their fancy satnav (Nissan Leaf) and smartphone operated systems (Chevy Volt / Vauxhall Ampere). I am sure the reality wont quite reach the technical dream, but I guess I am fortunate enough to be one of the few people who could actually live with an electric car - well, out of a fleet of two / three cars that is!

Most journeys that I do are typically less than 20 miles and for longer journeys we tend to take public transport and I dont commute. So it would actually fit our lifestyle at the moment and in the case of the Chevy, it would be unlikely that I would use petrol at all for 80% of journeys I take! The savings would be great, but then there is the issue of actually buying one - damn expensive to buy!

Given sufficient budget and a fully decorated house I could see myself buying one, but since I dont have a sufficient budget (20k or more!) and the house isnt fully decorated, I could save a hell of a lot more money buy getting something like a 1 series diesel or Bluemotion Golf. Both would be cheaper to buy, less risky for reliability and probably close on running costs over their lifetime anyway. This is the stumbling block I always come to.

So, would you buy an electric car? I am sorry to say that I would, but only under specific circumstances.




P.S. I know the Volt isnt just an electric car, its a range extended electric car - hence the petrol bit, so a comparison with things like the Leaf isnt fair. But its just a grouping.

williamp

20,417 posts

303 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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Electric cars will never have the range, but getting us used to the technology is very important. The future will be Hydrogen fuel cells, powering electric motors.

This will give vehicles the range and performance. The latest developments are almost there. The real beakthrough is what Honda are trialling in the US: a pump small enough to fit in the garage/on your driveway, which uses solar energy to get and store Hydrogen from the air. This will be done during the day, while you are using the car. When you get back, simply spend 2 mins refilling the car before you leave it, full, for the night and ready for the next journey.

Free energy, which is why road pricing is just around the corner...

Motoring in the future will continue, its just it will look very different to today

4Q

1,277 posts

217 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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No.

I usually travel more than the range of any current electric car, and the power still comes from fossil fuels.

As James May said when he drove that hydrogen Honda, why should we go backwards in development..?

marcosgt

11,500 posts

206 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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Not at the moment.

I know how useless even Li-Ion batteries are, so am extremely skeptical of claimed ranges for electric cars.

They might do 100 miles today, but what about in a year's time?

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mr boombastic

1,308 posts

230 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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No.

uuf361

3,168 posts

252 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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Not now, but wouldn't necessarily have a problem with it in the future when they are priced more competitively and have a range that is usable.....I noticed on Fifth Gear last night they said that 80% (or something like that) of the UK do journeys of under 30 miles a day.........which is true but 2 days a week for me its either 150 or 300 miles and as such an electric car is of no use to me....

kambites

71,540 posts

251 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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Not the current ones, which are too expensive and not very good, but I have no objection to them on principle.

Laurel Green

31,143 posts

262 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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mr boombastic said:
No.
What he said! smile

Why purchase a substitute for the real deal. Why buy into a beta version and, pay extra to boot.
Anyway, I'll probably be dead before the real deal comes along so, no, not in this lifetime!

kambites

71,540 posts

251 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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Laurel Green said:
Anyway, I'll probably be dead before the real deal comes along so, no, not in this lifetime!
Not unless you're planning on dying in the next ten or twenty years, I doubt.

GarryA

4,700 posts

194 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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kambites said:
Not the current ones, which are too expensive and not very good, but I have no objection to them on principle.
I See what you did there.
smile

Edited by GarryA on Saturday 27th November 10:05

Laurel Green

31,143 posts

262 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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kambites said:
Not unless you're planning on dying in the next ten or twenty years, I doubt.
Well, I'm not planning on it but, am at that end of life's slippery slope so, who knows what's around the corner.
Mind, am not against new technology. Just yesterday I was perusing a website displaying the virtues of 'electricery bicycles.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

234 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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williamp said:
Electric cars will never have the range,
They already do have the range to work as a town/shopping/commuting car its just that in the world of pistonheads everyone has a 600mile commute.

Where as in the real world most families have more then one car and most people have a less then 20 mile commute. Which an electric car will do fine.

The next argument to be rolled out is "They take too long to recharge".

Hands up anyone who has to stand and watch their electric toothbrush/cordless drill/ipod/mobile phone to charge. I don't have to sit and watch them charge I plug it in, go do something else, but for some reason you must stand and watch an electric car charge up. Why else would folk drone on about the length of time it takes to charge.


The next argument is "but they sound st"

The best selling car in the UK is the ford fiesta, the sportiest model is the ST it sounds like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxDA9kMs_U4
I've owned hoovers that sound better then that its a frankly fking dumb argument.

Many folk look at an electric car and compare it to their needs and it won't meet one of them therefore they are all fking st and useless.

We can all do that.

A Zonda F can't fit a wet dog in the back, tow a 3.5Ton trailer or get up a snowy muddy track therefore all supercars are fking st and useless.

The electric car is not here to kill the fossil fuelled car its here to complement it, but for some reason folk believe that having more choice in the market place is bad.

An electric car would suit me down to the ground as a daily driver just they ain't built one yet that suits my needs the closest is the Leaf but its a bit too big and a bit too expensive.

kambites

71,540 posts

251 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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At the moment, I think the interesting technology is petrol/electric range extender hybrids. They have the capacity to actually replace direct-drive petrol engined cars now and I suspect will push battery technology, eventually to the point that pure electric cars are viable.

AnotherClarkey

3,698 posts

219 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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williamp said:
Electric cars will never have the range, but getting us used to the technology is very important. The future will be Hydrogen fuel cells, powering electric motors.

This will give vehicles the range and performance. The latest developments are almost there. The real beakthrough is what Honda are trialling in the US: a pump small enough to fit in the garage/on your driveway, which uses solar energy to get and store Hydrogen from the air. This will be done during the day, while you are using the car. When you get back, simply spend 2 mins refilling the car before you leave it, full, for the night and ready for the next journey.

Free energy, which is why road pricing is just around the corner...

Motoring in the future will continue, its just it will look very different to today
How much hydrogen is there in the air then?

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

234 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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AnotherClarkey said:
williamp said:
Electric cars will never have the range, but getting us used to the technology is very important. The future will be Hydrogen fuel cells, powering electric motors.

This will give vehicles the range and performance. The latest developments are almost there. The real beakthrough is what Honda are trialling in the US: a pump small enough to fit in the garage/on your driveway, which uses solar energy to get and store Hydrogen from the air. This will be done during the day, while you are using the car. When you get back, simply spend 2 mins refilling the car before you leave it, full, for the night and ready for the next journey.

Free energy, which is why road pricing is just around the corner...

Motoring in the future will continue, its just it will look very different to today
How much hydrogen is there in the air then?
Alot but not as much as that comes out of my kitchen tap.

Just it comes with a couple of pesky oxygen molecules


AnotherClarkey

3,698 posts

219 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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thinfourth2 said:
AnotherClarkey said:
williamp said:
Electric cars will never have the range, but getting us used to the technology is very important. The future will be Hydrogen fuel cells, powering electric motors.

This will give vehicles the range and performance. The latest developments are almost there. The real beakthrough is what Honda are trialling in the US: a pump small enough to fit in the garage/on your driveway, which uses solar energy to get and store Hydrogen from the air. This will be done during the day, while you are using the car. When you get back, simply spend 2 mins refilling the car before you leave it, full, for the night and ready for the next journey.

Free energy, which is why road pricing is just around the corner...

Motoring in the future will continue, its just it will look very different to today
How much hydrogen is there in the air then?
Alot but not as much as that comes out of my kitchen tap.

Just it comes with a couple of pesky oxygen molecules
Indeed. I don't see hydrogen being any better as an energy storage solution than batteries in the short to medium term.

I would have an electric car if it suited my commuting needs. When they get them sorted I also predict that electric cars will be more fun to drive than anything we have today.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

234 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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AnotherClarkey said:
Indeed. I don't see hydrogen being any better as an energy storage solution than batteries in the short to medium term.

I would have an electric car if it suited my commuting needs. When they get them sorted I also predict that electric cars will be more fun to drive than anything we have today.
The problem with hydrogen is there is no hydrogen filling stations but that said before the petrol car there was no petrol stations. You had to buy petrol from the chemists.

Where as most folk have access to electricity

The future is electric cars and fossil fuelled cars sharing the roads for many many years to come.

The electric car will not mean the end of the fun petrol car as the petrol car did not kill off the horse.

And to be frank many folk really don't care what powers their car and that includes here. What they want is something that is shiny and expensive to show off with. Just look at the sheer amount of rants about car parking dings. A car park ding has never stopped a engine working and if we only cared about the engine they why are parking dings such an issue?

Most folk care far more about the little plastic rectangle on the end of the car then what powers the car.

AnotherClarkey

3,698 posts

219 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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thinfourth2 said:
AnotherClarkey said:
Indeed. I don't see hydrogen being any better as an energy storage solution than batteries in the short to medium term.

I would have an electric car if it suited my commuting needs. When they get them sorted I also predict that electric cars will be more fun to drive than anything we have today.
The problem with hydrogen is there is no hydrogen filling stations but that said before the petrol car there was no petrol stations. You had to buy petrol from the chemists.

Where as most folk have access to electricity

The future is electric cars and fossil fuelled cars sharing the roads for many many years to come.

The electric car will not mean the end of the fun petrol car as the petrol car did not kill off the horse.

And to be frank many folk really don't care what powers their car and that includes here. What they want is something that is shiny and expensive to show off with. Just look at the sheer amount of rants about car parking dings. A car park ding has never stopped a engine working and if we only cared about the engine they why are parking dings such an issue?

Most folk care far more about the little plastic rectangle on the end of the car then what powers the car.
Astonishingly we are in complete agreement. It is the same with handling - if people really cared about it why do they insist on ever larger, wider wheels with rubber bands wrapped around them?

Dracoro

9,026 posts

275 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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The "range" is one thing (I suspect this will increase in time) and testing on open roads in Portugal isn't really representative.

But the main isssue is recharge time. Until you can recharge the whole car in 5 minutes, it will never take off. A few may be sold in cities but that's about it.

Scraggles

7,619 posts

254 months

Saturday 27th November 2010
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electric cars are great for use in cities and for people with a garage, I travel from bedford to places like gatwick, southend, most of london on a daily basis, easily 150 miles a day

not own a garage, my parking spot is off road, but a long way from the house, so recharging how ?