Supra TT vs Jag XKR
Discussion
decisions,decisions .....
just briefly - my daily driver for the last 6 years or so has been a mildly modified 200sx S13. Gotta say, a massive amount of fun this car - but i'm hankering for a change now.
My shortlist is a Supra TT auto or a Jag XKR within a rather large price band of 4-8K. Just wondering what your thoughts on these two cars are ?
My initial ones are the supra will be the faster car of the two but maybe it will just seem like a quicker version of the S13 wheras the XKR will drive differently being supercharged rather than turbo'd and also i suspect probably the more comfortable of the two.
I havnt driven either yet, wanting to do the research before test driving so all opinions welcome !
just briefly - my daily driver for the last 6 years or so has been a mildly modified 200sx S13. Gotta say, a massive amount of fun this car - but i'm hankering for a change now.
My shortlist is a Supra TT auto or a Jag XKR within a rather large price band of 4-8K. Just wondering what your thoughts on these two cars are ?
My initial ones are the supra will be the faster car of the two but maybe it will just seem like a quicker version of the S13 wheras the XKR will drive differently being supercharged rather than turbo'd and also i suspect probably the more comfortable of the two.
I havnt driven either yet, wanting to do the research before test driving so all opinions welcome !
The Supra could be just as costly to run as the Jag...
My uncle has the XJR and it's awesome... power available whenever you want it and so comfortable.
I would of thought (not looked at this yet!) that the Jag might be quicker out of the box or they'd be neck and neck... Neither are particularly light cars!
They're very different cars with very different images... I think that is what it'd boil down to for me... Jag - A bit old manny, Supra - a bit Fast and Furious.
My uncle has the XJR and it's awesome... power available whenever you want it and so comfortable.
I would of thought (not looked at this yet!) that the Jag might be quicker out of the box or they'd be neck and neck... Neither are particularly light cars!
They're very different cars with very different images... I think that is what it'd boil down to for me... Jag - A bit old manny, Supra - a bit Fast and Furious.
nick200 said:
decisions,decisions .....
just briefly - my daily driver for the last 6 years or so has been a mildly modified 200sx S13. Gotta say, a massive amount of fun this car - but i'm hankering for a change now.
My shortlist is a Supra TT auto or a Jag XKR within a rather large price band of 4-8K. Just wondering what your thoughts on these two cars are ?
My initial ones are the supra will be the faster car of the two but maybe it will just seem like a quicker version of the S13 wheras the XKR will drive differently being supercharged rather than turbo'd and also i suspect probably the more comfortable of the two.
I havnt driven either yet, wanting to do the research before test driving so all opinions welcome !
Supra TT MKIV has a very trick turbo setup, it'll feel just as beefy as a PD blower.just briefly - my daily driver for the last 6 years or so has been a mildly modified 200sx S13. Gotta say, a massive amount of fun this car - but i'm hankering for a change now.
My shortlist is a Supra TT auto or a Jag XKR within a rather large price band of 4-8K. Just wondering what your thoughts on these two cars are ?
My initial ones are the supra will be the faster car of the two but maybe it will just seem like a quicker version of the S13 wheras the XKR will drive differently being supercharged rather than turbo'd and also i suspect probably the more comfortable of the two.
I havnt driven either yet, wanting to do the research before test driving so all opinions welcome !
I think it comes down to what you want, both great cars and both quick with tuning ability. Ultimately the Supra is the better performance car, sharper, better handling, and faster when tuned (although maynot in stock trim). Where as the Jag is the superior luxury GT. Smoother, more refined, more sumptuous.
I personally think the Jag with some loud pipes on would sound the best out of the two. Blower whine and a V8 base line are hard to beat.
Image wise, well the Supra is somewhat baseball cap and and jeans as wide as the English Channel. The Jag is more of a sophisticated gentlemens image.
Personally I'd probably go the big cat, but I'm a bit of a Jag fan. If ultimate performance was the aim then the Supra.
As for residuals, well MKIV Supra's seem to have stood up rather well, despite the previous model being almost worthless these days.
The XK8 has dropped a lot and previous XJS's could be had for nothing. But XJS prices are picking up all the time and I wonder is this will bolster and stabalise the XK8 prices somewhat.
In all fairness Supra's can be made to look rather smart without too much work... it's the ones that are over worked which look terrible imo.
A nice drop, some BBS LM's I think it's look great.
Supra TT was the first "fast" car I went in, a mate's dad had one and I loved it. His was standard and very comfortable... back then it was considered luxury!
So maybe the Jag isn't that much better as a GT car.
S13 - Supra... sounds right.
S13 - Jag... sounds like you've aged quickly.
A nice drop, some BBS LM's I think it's look great.
Supra TT was the first "fast" car I went in, a mate's dad had one and I loved it. His was standard and very comfortable... back then it was considered luxury!
So maybe the Jag isn't that much better as a GT car.
S13 - Supra... sounds right.
S13 - Jag... sounds like you've aged quickly.
At that price you would be bonkers to consider the XK. They are lovely cars but expensive to repair. In contrast the Supra is well known for being bulletproof and much easier to run on a budget. The image has suffered on these for the last 5 years or so but remain a fantastic car and if you buy sensible it wouldn't surprise me if they make a comeback in the future as Cosworths are currently.
Good luck in your serach.
Good luck in your serach.
Herbs said:
At that price you would be bonkers to consider the XK. They are lovely cars but expensive to repair.
You have to balance the fact that they were very well engineered (according to reliability surveys at the time of manufacture and since). You can't just say someone would be bonkers to consider one at that price - are you saying that there is no market for an £8k XKR?Herbs said:
it wouldn't surprise me if they make a comeback in the future as Cosworths are currently.
No chance. There'll probably always be a very small cult following (as with a lot of the older Jap performance cars - Silvias etc) but this market mainly consists of the 'drifter' who don't place much value on mint, low-mileage examples, and so it'll never have the same market value/status as anything badged 'Cosworth'monthefish said:
No chance. There'll probably always be a very small cult following (as with a lot of the older Jap performance cars - Silvias etc) but this market mainly consists of the 'drifter' who don't place much value on mint, low-mileage examples, and so it'll never have the same market value/status as anything badged 'Cosworth'
I seem to remember every Cosworth on awful 17" wheels and being used for doughnuts and burnouts. I'm sure the Supra could come back and the rare mint ones be worth a fortune. Maybe not as great a following as the RS badge but if you get a mint one, I doubt you're going to lose much on it if anything.
Herbs said:
At that price you would be bonkers to consider the XK.
I don't agree at all.And here's why:
You could for many years buy an XJS for far less money. I know I bought one for £700 when I was 19 and only sold it about 5 years ago.
There are hundreds of sub £3k Jaguar saloons, many (or most even?) perfectly fine to own and use. They also use similar parts.
In fact many of the sub £5k Jags will be AJV8 powered XJ8's, which share more than a bit with the XK8. Yet people somehow manage to run and maintain these.
Prices of the Supras have been dropping lately so spending the full 8k on a TT would get you a belting car. XKR has done nothing for me so Supra all the way.
Only ever driven a couple of non-turbo Supras but both were very nice, my mate wouldn't let me near his TT after I somehow dis-lodged his exhaust of his old n/a car and his Mondeo on the same weekend!
Your right about keeping it simple, drop the car a little and a nice set of wheels, forget any kind of bodykit as the car looks great as standard.
Only ever driven a couple of non-turbo Supras but both were very nice, my mate wouldn't let me near his TT after I somehow dis-lodged his exhaust of his old n/a car and his Mondeo on the same weekend!
Your right about keeping it simple, drop the car a little and a nice set of wheels, forget any kind of bodykit as the car looks great as standard.
thanks for the replies, loads of good points.
it did make me smile about S13 > Jag = ageing too quick , funny !
image shouldnt be important but it is, in honesty i'm probably between these two cars which is one of the reasons why i'm torn.
If it was Value for money, the XJR saloon is pretty good too - but just not that taken on the shape compared to the other two.
Agree about minimum mods on the supra,looks really good with BBS lm rims but then the jag looks damn good on the factory option 19' Detroit rims too ...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2407636.htm
not so many standard supra's around but heres one as comparison
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2368916.htm
it did make me smile about S13 > Jag = ageing too quick , funny !
image shouldnt be important but it is, in honesty i'm probably between these two cars which is one of the reasons why i'm torn.
If it was Value for money, the XJR saloon is pretty good too - but just not that taken on the shape compared to the other two.
Agree about minimum mods on the supra,looks really good with BBS lm rims but then the jag looks damn good on the factory option 19' Detroit rims too ...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2407636.htm
not so many standard supra's around but heres one as comparison
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2368916.htm
Edited by nick200 on Wednesday 19th January 15:31
SteveS Cup said:
I believe they're the 20" Detroit wheels?
That Supra looks great imo.
your right on the wheels, my error. The ones in the advert linked anyway !That Supra looks great imo.
Gaz - thanks, intersting comparison - but as you say the new XKR is probably an improvement all round on its previous model. Looking at the classifieds, a fair few supra's have been 'fast and furious'd' so there's not so much choice on standard ones. Saying that , overall there's still good choice of both and a number which look close to where i live ......
nick200 said:
thanks for the replies, loads of good points.
it did make me smile about S13 > Jag = ageing too quick , funny !
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I wouldn't worry about it, I bought a V12 XJS at 19 and used to use to go cruising with my mates or take it to Uni every now and then.it did make me smile about S13 > Jag = ageing too quick , funny !
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Edited by nick200 on Wednesday 19th January 15:31
nick200 said:
SteveS Cup said:
I believe they're the 20" Detroit wheels?
That Supra looks great imo.
your right on the wheels, my error. The ones in the advert linked anyway !That Supra looks great imo.
Gaz - thanks, intersting comparison - but as you say the new XKR is probably an improvement all round on its previous model. Looking at the classifieds, a fair few supra's have been 'fast and furious'd' so there's not so much choice on standard ones. Saying that , overall there's still good choice of both and a number which look close to where i live ......
Paramount Charge a fortune, so I wouldn't.
But you can buy a decent CAI for them, get a custom exhaust made at an exhaust shop and look at some places in the US to do a pulley change on the blower. All it'll need is a tune after that.
As for the hanlding, well it's a GT car. But uprate the suspension bushes and lowering it a bit should make a big difference. The XJS was always soft too, but can be made to handle very well with the right parts. And there's more than a bit or two of XJS on an XK8 if you look past the curvy body.
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