Selling a car to someone in Europe

[Mr Red Barron]

Hey guys and gals, I need a bit of advice please.

I've had an enquiry about my car currently for sale from a guy in Holland. He wants to fly over, pick up the car and drive it back to Europe.

The car currently has no tax on it as it's been hibernating for the winter.

So my questions are:

Do I need to tax the car for him so that he can drive to the port? Or because it's a sale, can he drive without it?

What do I fill out on the V5 when I sell it to him? I know that theres an export section of it but I'm not exporting the car, he is. I'm just selling it to him. So do I need to worry bout hat section?

And finally, if I fill in the normal sections when I sell the car. Will the DVLA except his address as being in Holland? If he's permanently exporting the car then do I just leave him to deal with the paperwork?

I'm a tad confused!!

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[marshalla]

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[bimsb6]

the tax will be his problem if he gets caught ,the v5 has a section for perm exporting the vehicle you fill that bit in .

Edited by bimsb6 on Wednesday 19th January 20:21

[Mr Red Barron]

bimsb6 said:

the tax will be his problem if he gets caught ,the v5 has a section for perm exporting the vehicle you fill that bit in .

Edited by bimsb6 on Wednesday 19th January 20:21

Shouldn't that be his responsibility though seeing as he's the one exporting it, not me? I'm just selling it to him?

[rottie102]

Mr Red Barron said:

bimsb6 said:

the tax will be his problem if he gets caught ,the v5 has a section for perm exporting the vehicle you fill that bit in .

Edited by bimsb6 on Wednesday 19th January 20:21

Shouldn't that be his responsibility though seeing as he's the one exporting it, not me? I'm just selling it to him?

DVLA will not send a new V5 to an overseas address, so much more hassle for him to do it the way you suggest. The permanent export option on the V5 is exactly for that purpose.

[Mr Red Barron]

rottie102 said:

Mr Red Barron said:

bimsb6 said:

the tax will be his problem if he gets caught ,the v5 has a section for perm exporting the vehicle you fill that bit in .

Edited by bimsb6 on Wednesday 19th January 20:21

Shouldn't that be his responsibility though seeing as he's the one exporting it, not me? I'm just selling it to him?

DVLA will not send a new V5 to an overseas address, so much more hassle for him to do it the way you suggest. The permanent export option on the V5 is exactly for that purpose.

Ok, so I fill that section out and send it off to the DVLA. Does he then keep the V5 with my details on it? I'm not keen on that idea seeing as I will still be the legal owner of the car?

[Cartwheel]

Actually how would any remaining tax work out?

Surely if I came over to pick up a car with a few months tax on it I could leave it with the seller (or send it back by post) who would be able to get a refund?

[Mr Red Barron]

Cartwheel said:

Actually how would any remaining tax work out?

Surely if I came over to pick up a car with a few months tax on it I could leave it with the seller (or send it back by post) who would be able to get a refund?

But what about driving it to the port? As it's on uk roads and still a uk car, surely it's illegal to drive it without tax? Seeing as mine expired last month and is declared SORN. It shouldn't be on the road?

[rottie102]

Mr Red Barron said:

rottie102 said:

Mr Red Barron said:

bimsb6 said:

the tax will be his problem if he gets caught ,the v5 has a section for perm exporting the vehicle you fill that bit in .

Edited by bimsb6 on Wednesday 19th January 20:21

Shouldn't that be his responsibility though seeing as he's the one exporting it, not me? I'm just selling it to him?

DVLA will not send a new V5 to an overseas address, so much more hassle for him to do it the way you suggest. The permanent export option on the V5 is exactly for that purpose.

Ok, so I fill that section out and send it off to the DVLA. Does he then keep the V5 with my details on it? I'm not keen on that idea seeing as I will still be the legal owner of the car?

V5 has nothing to do with ownership of the car.

As for the rest - it's one of those RTFM moments , have you got the V5 at home? Everything is described at the back. You send the little part away, DVLA is notified the car is gone, you're not responsible anymore, the new guy keeps the rest of the V5 - he will/may need it in Holland to register the car.

Edited by rottie102 on Wednesday 19th January 20:43

[rottie102]

Mr Red Barron said:

Cartwheel said:

Actually how would any remaining tax work out?

Surely if I came over to pick up a car with a few months tax on it I could leave it with the seller (or send it back by post) who would be able to get a refund?

But what about driving it to the port? As it's on uk roads and still a uk car, surely it's illegal to drive it without tax? Seeing as mine expired last month and is declared SORN. It shouldn't be on the road?

Buy it online the day before he will be collecting it. You will receive an email with confirmation, print it out and tell him to take it with him. This way the ANPR will see a taxed vehicle, he can show the receipt if he would get pulled over ( I seriously doubt it...). The DVLA will send a tax disc to your address, because you are the registered keeper at the time of buying it. Then you just send the disc back for refund. Just charge the new owner the fee which DVLA will deduct from the tax disc value when refunded.

Edited by rottie102 on Wednesday 19th January 20:42

[bromers2]

You don't need to tax it, it's the new owners responsibility and as he's foreign he doesn't need too. Even if gets stopped on the way to the port he ain't going to pay any fine - they won't chase him abroad and he's not doing anything illegal.

[bromers2]

Edited by bromers2 on Wednesday 19th January 20:46

[rottie102]

bromers2 said:

You don't need to tax it, it's the new owners responsibility and as he's foreign he doesn't need too. Even if gets stopped on the way to the port he ain't going to pay any fine - they won't chase him abroad and he's not doing anything illegal.

Well, I wouldn't risk all the hassle and trouble of POSSIBLY having the car towed away etc just to save few quid which DVLA would charge for a refund.

[Mr Red Barron]

rottie102 said:

Mr Red Barron said:

Cartwheel said:

Actually how would any remaining tax work out?

Surely if I came over to pick up a car with a few months tax on it I could leave it with the seller (or send it back by post) who would be able to get a refund?

But what about driving it to the port? As it's on uk roads and still a uk car, surely it's illegal to drive it without tax? Seeing as mine expired last month and is declared SORN. It shouldn't be on the road?

Buy it online the day before he will be collecting it. You will receive an email with confirmation, print it out and tell him to take it with him. This way the ANPR will see a taxed vehicle, he can show the receipt if he would get pulled over ( I seriously doubt it...). The DVLA will send a tax disc to your address, because you are the registered keeper at the time of buying it. Then you just send the disc back for refund. Just charge the new owner the fee which DVLA will deduct from the tax disc value when refunded.

Edited by rottie102 on Wednesday 19th January 20:42

The only problem with that is I don't have any insurance on the car. So they won't tax it unless you have insurance will you? Unless I buy a day insurance off a company somewhere, print off the confirmation and then plod down to the local post office to get it?

Seems like such a hassle this!!

[rottie102]

Mr Red Barron said:

rottie102 said:

Mr Red Barron said:

Cartwheel said:

Actually how would any remaining tax work out?

Surely if I came over to pick up a car with a few months tax on it I could leave it with the seller (or send it back by post) who would be able to get a refund?

But what about driving it to the port? As it's on uk roads and still a uk car, surely it's illegal to drive it without tax? Seeing as mine expired last month and is declared SORN. It shouldn't be on the road?

Buy it online the day before he will be collecting it. You will receive an email with confirmation, print it out and tell him to take it with him. This way the ANPR will see a taxed vehicle, he can show the receipt if he would get pulled over ( I seriously doubt it...). The DVLA will send a tax disc to your address, because you are the registered keeper at the time of buying it. Then you just send the disc back for refund. Just charge the new owner the fee which DVLA will deduct from the tax disc value when refunded.

Edited by rottie102 on Wednesday 19th January 20:42

The only problem with that is I don't have any insurance on the car. So they won't tax it unless you have insurance will you? Unless I buy a day insurance off a company somewhere, print off the confirmation and then plod down to the local post office to get it?

Seems like such a hassle this!!

From my experience at the post office they are not too keen on selling road tax for an email printout as a certificate.

If that's the case just let him worry about the tax...

[Mr Red Barron]

Looking at the other thread at the top of the page. They say that what they did was give the owner the full V5 doc, and then just send a letter to the DVLA explaining you've sold it to someone who doesn't live in the UK.

That seems a bit iffy to me?

[rottie102]

Mr Red Barron said:

Looking at the other thread at the top of the page. They say that what they did was give the owner the full V5 doc, and then just send a letter to the DVLA explaining you've sold it to someone who doesn't live in the UK.

That seems a bit iffy to me?

Ok, I give up. The V5 itself says exactly what to do and you are still confused?

[steve_bmw]

i once sold a supra to a guy from holland, nice chap, met him at the docks, he had arranged to have the car inspected at toyota.
toyota dealership had it on the ramp for 1.5 hours and gave it a clean bill of health, they said it was a realy good example and the only issue was the rear wiper rubber was a bit worn.

so he was happy, paid for the car and drove it home.

a week later i get a stty email telling me that the car was a write off and had beed in a severe accident and all the suspention was bent, chassis ect ect.
HORSEst! that car was perfect!

just be careful.

[Cartwheel]

I think Rottie102's suggestion is probably the most consequence free for managing the tax, and I'd be more comfortable having a some sort of paperwork for the tax on me should I need to produce the papers between the point of sale and the continent.

For a transaction I guess it depends on the value of the car. For a mk1 MX5 I'd come over only once and buy the car cash in hand. For a higher valued car it gets a little more complicated as carrying too much cash is impractical, Bank transfer and a second visit to complete the transaction is probably necessary.

[rottie102]

steve_bmw said:

i once sold a supra to a guy from holland, nice chap, met him at the docks, he had arranged to have the car inspected at toyota.
toyota dealership had it on the ramp for 1.5 hours and gave it a clean bill of health, they said it was a realy good example and the only issue was the rear wiper rubber was a bit worn.

so he was happy, paid for the car and drove it home.

a week later i get a stty email telling me that the car was a write off and had beed in a severe accident and all the suspention was bent, chassis ect ect.
HORSEst! that car was perfect!

just be careful.

And that couldn't happen if you would sell the car to somebody from Swindon for example?