Citroen converts Elec steering to Hydraulic- steering lives
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http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2010/07/citroen-revea...
Yes the dreaded feel-less electric steering can now be switched as Citroen do to their low end rally car as above. This is very good news to those who like steering feel!
There more life yet in Hydraulic.
Yes the dreaded feel-less electric steering can now be switched as Citroen do to their low end rally car as above. This is very good news to those who like steering feel!
There more life yet in Hydraulic.
Of course this story will not be printed in the magazines as they have to say nice things about new technology. But for those intrepid few who want to actually enjoy driving and appreciate 911 and Lotus style steering feel, this will come as good news. I just wonder how Citroen actually does this, and how difficult a process it is? j
j123 said:
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2010/07/citroen-revea...
Yes the dreaded feel-less electric steering can now be switched as Citroen do to their low end rally car as above. This is very good news to those who like steering feel!
There more life yet in Hydraulic.
This is a rally car, not a road car though? so it doesn't have to worry too much about the fuel economy implications of running the hydraulic pump all the time. Yes the dreaded feel-less electric steering can now be switched as Citroen do to their low end rally car as above. This is very good news to those who like steering feel!
There more life yet in Hydraulic.
j123 said:
Anyone know or care to estimate how much it costs to switch out a electric steering apparatus for a hydraulic one? Wonder how much it costs Citroen?
thnks, j
http://www.mgocaccessories.co.uk/acatalog/MGOC_Accessories__MGB_Power_Steering_200.htmlthnks, j
£1k for the parts in this example, probably about that much more for labour. And that's assuming the steering rack is available off the shelf and hasn't been custom built by a rally prep company.
davepoth said:
http://www.mgocaccessories.co.uk/acatalog/MGOC_Acc...
£1k for the parts in this example, probably about that much more for labour. And that's assuming the steering rack is available off the shelf and hasn't been custom built by a rally prep company.
Dave,£1k for the parts in this example, probably about that much more for labour. And that's assuming the steering rack is available off the shelf and hasn't been custom built by a rally prep company.
I'm not talking about fitting cars with power steering per se. I'm speaking about many of the NEW cars being put out right-now with hydro-electric or pure electric steering systems being replaced with hydraulic systems- like those built by Trw.
Although with that said, many UK makers seem somehow to be sticking with Hydraulic systems which most say make their steering much better than the Germans and Japanese. I believe all Jaguars, Astons, Noble, and Lotus's use this old school set up- glad for it. thanks, j
j123 said:
Dave,
I'm not talking about fitting cars with power steering per se. I'm speaking about many of the NEW cars being put out right-now with hydro-electric or pure electric steering systems being replaced with hydraulic systems- like those built by Trw.
Although with that said, many UK makers seem somehow to be sticking with Hydraulic systems which most say make their steering much better than the Germans and Japanese. I believe all Jaguars, Astons, Noble, and Lotus's use this old school set up- glad for it. thanks, j
TRW's newest system is electro hydraulic though, as far as I can fathom. Hydraulic power steering is something that most cars can do without - it adds a lot of complexity and cost that isn't really needed, especially on something that is going to be driven to the shops. I think Jaguar-Land Rover are probably still using hydraulic power steering, but I think that has more to do with historical reasons than any pretensions. I'm not talking about fitting cars with power steering per se. I'm speaking about many of the NEW cars being put out right-now with hydro-electric or pure electric steering systems being replaced with hydraulic systems- like those built by Trw.
Although with that said, many UK makers seem somehow to be sticking with Hydraulic systems which most say make their steering much better than the Germans and Japanese. I believe all Jaguars, Astons, Noble, and Lotus's use this old school set up- glad for it. thanks, j
Most Lotuses have proper steering; no assistance at all.
davepoth said:
TRW's newest system is electro hydraulic though, as far as I can fathom. Hydraulic power steering is something that most cars can do without - it adds a lot of complexity and cost that isn't really needed, especially on something that is going to be driven to the shops. I think Jaguar-Land Rover are probably still using hydraulic power steering, but I think that has more to do with historical reasons than any pretensions.
Most Lotuses have proper steering; no assistance at all.
Dave,Most Lotuses have proper steering; no assistance at all.
I'm not sure if you've ever driven a 911 or other sporty Porsche, but the steering is amazing and this is something also said of power-steering based cars like the newish Lotus Evora, the current Mercedes C/E class and the 06-2010 ford Focus and Mondeo.
Trw still makes fully hydraulic systems:
http://www.trw.com/sub_system/hydraulic_powered_st...
I'm simply wondering that if Citroen can put a hydraulic system in to replace their electric system then if this is possible for other cars? More specifically for people interested in sports cars. Especially as it looks like almost all sports cars including the next 911 itself are going this way. j
Edited by j123 on Tuesday 22 February 01:51
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