RE: Used Supercar Taxes Set To Rocket
RE: Used Supercar Taxes Set To Rocket
Friday 11th March 2011

Used Supercar Taxes Set To Rocket

Will values take a hit as company car tax changes bite?


What price a used Scaglietti?
What price a used Scaglietti?
Running a used supercar on a company is going to get very painful financially from 6 April. In fact business folk who like their prestige cars could find themselves paying more in tax per year than the cars are worth.

It's all down to one of Labour's final flings against wealthy car enthusiasts introduced quietly in 2009 by then Chancellor Alistair Darling, but only taking effect now.

Under the present system company owner directors, and top execs in generous company car schemes pay a maximum income tax of £14,000 a year plus their companies national insurance of £3,584.

But from the new tax year the £80,000 maximum list price used to assess the tax will be replaced by a car's actual list price when new, even if the car is now three or four years old. An added sting is that it will include accessories also at list price. Suddenly that £4,000 transparent engine cover doesn't seem such a good idea if it alone will cost you £700 a year in tax.

For some drivers it will be a severe test of their commitment to prestige motoring and some dealers expect a definite dip in used car prices if enough people bail out, even in the short term.

Ferrari 612 Scagliettis, rightly some would say, are a rare sight on the road. But take the list price of about £222,000 and Mr or Mrs Successful Business Person would now pay income tax of almost £39,000 per year and the employer a charge of more than £10,000 for Class 1A National Insurance.

How about £39k pa plus NI?
How about £39k pa plus NI?
The total tax bill for 2011-12 of nearly £50,000 is an increase of 182% compared to the current tax bill.

David Heaton, Employer Consulting Partner at accountancy and business advisors Baker Tilly, says: "Drivers rewarding themselves with second hand supercars need to be particularly careful because HMRC will charge car benefits on the list price.

"Removing the £80,000 maximum list price is an easy hit as it affects a select group of wealthy drivers.

"The tax hike was described by Alistair Darling as ensuring drivers of expensive cars paid a 'fair level of tax', but the result is more likely to be the disappearance of the supercar from companies.

"The super-rich won't worry but drivers of older company-owned supercars could be caught out. You can pick up a 2005 model Ferrari Scaglietti for about £65,000. But the company car tax bill of £39,500 of tax and NICs per year to drive a car worth £65,000 is not very attractive."

A random £5k Rangie in our classifieds
A random £5k Rangie in our classifieds
And it's not only exotic car drivers who will be hit. Owner managed businesses where partners drive top of the range BMWs, Bentley, Mercedes and Range Rovers will also face big bills. Heaton knows of one chap facing car and fuel benefit costs of £9,000 a year for his Range Rover even though its book value is now just over £5,000.

"The problem is its list price of £51,000. It would be cheaper to give the man the car and pay less tax."

It's impossible to know how many people will have to take their cars into personal ownership to avoid the tax but several top end car dealers confirmed that many of their clients bought their cars on their companies.

"People love their cars. Owning them outright might take a bit of getting used to but I don't think they will give them up," said one.

(Words: Russell Bray)

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A Scotsman

Original Poster:

1,001 posts

228 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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What is it with these socialist idiots.

Garlick

40,601 posts

269 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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My word! I had no idea about this at all, shocking.

W00DY

16,721 posts

255 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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So short sighted. We definitely need more incentives to move businesses out of the UK rolleyes

O/T: Is it wrong to love that (presumably Hamann) kitted 612? Looks much better than standard.

thewheelman

2,194 posts

202 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Every bloody morning i wake up to another story about the goverment bending motorists over & going for the dry run. This is seriously beginning to piss me off. Are we "allowed" to enjoy anything anymore in this country?

carl_w

10,740 posts

287 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Eh? I don't see how this has changed for the Rangie driver, as he's always been paying tax on the £51k list price. Does anyone really run an old car as a company car?

TheCoolerKing

347 posts

191 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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With less 2nd hand used super cars being bought, this will ultimately affect prices? What's not to like.biglaugh

TVRWannabee

524 posts

276 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Socialist policy seems to revolve around screwing those who do the work and rewarding those who don't.

Unsurprisingly the idea of heavy taxes for the rich and companies always raise less tax as the wealthy and their companies (as W00DY says) move abroad. Genius.

The question is: will the coalition change this idiotic measure?

Mr Gear

9,416 posts

219 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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"It would be cheaper to give the man the car and pay less tax."

... so why not do that then confused

Dick Dastardly

8,326 posts

292 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Nice one Darling, you commie bd.

How is basing tax on the original value, not what you pay for something, fair?

F.C.

3,901 posts

237 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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So buy a re-built classic eg, E-type and pay the tax on its original list price when new smile

ETS, Darling needs a good thrashing for this underhand behaviour.

Edited by F.C. on Friday 11th March 11:26

goron59

397 posts

200 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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wkers.

(sorry, but this is st).

Ryvita

732 posts

239 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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I think the more interesting aspect will be the ripple down price drops. If a glut of ex-company 911s, M3/M5s, Rangies, etc. come onto the market, that drops the average price for the specific type in question (From the article 3-4 yr old, well specced models by the looks of things).

But this surely will mean that older versions of the same cars e.g. E36 M3s, 996 Carreras etc. will also come down by a bit? As someone off to look at a 996 Carrera 4 this weekend, I like that idea a lot! smile

stinkysteve

732 posts

226 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Dick Dastardly said:
Nice one Darling, you commie bd.

How is basing tax on the original value, not what you pay for something, fair?
For quite a few years company car tax (CCT) has been based on new list price. This is nothing new.

What is new is the removal of a cap. Which seems entirely reasonable as basically it meant that people who have cars worth more than £80k pay less tax relative to someone driving, say, a £40k car.

I do believe that you should pay for what you have, therefore tax should be calculated on vehicle value, (i.e my company car is 2 years old so shouldn't be taxed as if it's new) but that would cost HMRC £Millions so it just isn't going to happen. Unfortunately.

robm3

4,930 posts

256 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Does this mean you only pay pence on a Aston Marting DB4 then?


F.C.

3,901 posts

237 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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robm3 said:
Does this mean you only pay pence on a Aston Marting DB4 then?
yes

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

219 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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So does this mean cars like an Aston DB5 might become popular as they had a list price of around £3000 when new IIRC?

AndrewO

689 posts

212 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Classic cars are a good company purchase if your into old cars. I have to make do with a company bicycle.

kbf1981

2,346 posts

229 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Just buy it personally.

Fat Audi 80

2,403 posts

280 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Boo Hoo. There are very very few of us that can afford to run these cars let alone surf on the back of a lovely company car scheme...

Crack on I say.

And no I am not a troll before you ask, just a bloody hard working Engineering manager trying to run an 18 year old Audi S2 and support a family and a mortgage. wink

Fat Audi 80

2,403 posts

280 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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stinkysteve said:
Dick Dastardly said:
Nice one Darling, you commie bd.

How is basing tax on the original value, not what you pay for something, fair?
For quite a few years company car tax (CCT) has been based on new list price. This is nothing new.

What is new is the removal of a cap. Which seems entirely reasonable as basically it meant that people who have cars worth more than £80k pay less tax relative to someone driving, say, a £40k car.

I do believe that you should pay for what you have, therefore tax should be calculated on vehicle value, (i.e my company car is 2 years old so shouldn't be taxed as if it's new) but that would cost HMRC £Millions so it just isn't going to happen. Unfortunately.
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