RE: You Know You Want To... The 'Sub-10k' Bristol
RE: You Know You Want To... The 'Sub-10k' Bristol
Friday 11th March 2011

You Know You Want To... The 'Sub-10k' Bristol

Bespoke sporting chariot, or ugly lovechild of three clashing cultures?



The fall of Bristol Cars had a certain air of inevitability about it and, looking at this machine we've spotted in the PH classifieds, you might even be forgiven for wondering how they continued for as long as they did.


Bristols are little known and even less understood, so we thought we'd have a look to see if we could uncover the appeal that had Bristol's customers loyally coming back for the thick-end of 65 years. Are these cars all about dodgy styling, archaic engineering, and eccentric oddball owners, or is there more to them than that? And more to the point, could a sub-£10k 412 ever hope to provide any of the answers...

At best the Zagato-bodied Bristol 412 could be described as 'challenging' to look at, and at worst just plain ugly. Standing at the front of this car I was determined to look long and hard to see if I could find a hidden appeal to its angular looks. Honestly I tried. Zagato must have just taken delivery of a lovely new set of rulers and set-squares the day they penned this thing, and wanted show us all just what they could do with them.


What makes things even worse is that, whereas Bristol themselves were highly-skilled coachbuilders, the 412 bodies were built at Zagato by some begrudging borderline-communist Italians (at a time when Italian bodywork wasn't exactly renowned for its quality) and then shipped to the UK. That the bodies were fashioned from aluminium, and not bargain basement Russian steel (as were the majority of Italian cars at the time) is one saving grace. Another is that the car rolls on Avon Safety Wheels, which were specifically designed to decrease the likelihood of the tyre leaving the rim in the event of a puncture, and are sought-after today.

Not looking too good so far then. But move on from the styling and things start to get a lot more interesting. Under the bonnet is a 400 cubic inch (about 6.6 litres in Roman Catholic) Chrysler V8, bolted to a 727 TorqFlite automatic transmission - both of which can be traced back to the tarmac-shredding Plymouth and Dodge muscle cars of the late Sixties. Want effortless power, reliability, and longevity? No problem. What's more, parts are widely available in the UK for both the motor and the transmission - both of which were mildly tweaked by Bristol for optimum smoothness of operation.


The interior is good news too. Whilst certainly belonging in the luxury category, it has (unlike its high-end contemporaries) an airy, spacious feel to it, and gives the impression that whoever designed and executed the interior space was more in mind of an enthusiastic blast to the south of France and back than a gentle waft through the West End when they did so. Sure it's all leather and wood (ah, the smell of it...), but somehow it encourages you to get on with the driving. Less Gentleman's Club, more Shooting Lodge? It is opulent, but with a distinct lack of pretension, and sitting inside you begin to get the whole idea of a Bristol. Wasn't it Joan Collins who once said: "wealth whispers...?"

Obviously, at this money any Bristol is going to need some love - and this one's been in storage for a while and needs a new cylinder head core plug at least. The good news is that pretty much any part you want is available either from Bristol themselves (they're maintaining a parts service), or through the owners club. The greasy bits aren't too much of a problem - if you've got the cash and the inclination - remember that these things were designed and built to last. Of more concern would be any repair work needed to the aluminium body and/or the enormous frame - which is sturdy enough to make a locomotive blush. With this car, both of those areas are in good fettle. The thing is would you really want to completely restore one? A Bristol was built to be used, so does the idea of a show-standard version without any associated patina not seem a bit wrong? Better perhaps to carry out the necessary work and then use it.


It's in considering renovation work on these cars that their trump card is revealed. You see, they were built to aircraft standards, so their real integrity as machines is beyond reproach. No other manufacturer would reject part after part after part, before one was deemed fit for installation, or keep component suppliers waiting for years before finally approving said component for their assembly line. Oh and Bristol were testing their brakes at 140mph when everyone else was testing theirs from 70. Ugly the 412 may be, but it was a top quality piece of kit.

So, what you potentially have here is a fine example of British engineering and old-money eccentricity. It was one of the best-engineered cars money could buy back in the day, although the company was happy for the average man to dismiss it as simply ugly and dream instead of buying something more 'flash' like a Rolls Royce if he came into money.


But you know what? These cars are cool if for no other reason than that, and the world would be a duller place without them. Given its obvious need of love and attention in a few key areas, I might easily be tempted to see if a bundle of notes would get a proper deal sorted on this one. Best get me fitted-up with some tweed clobber first...

(Words: Andy Craig)

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andyps

Original Poster:

7,819 posts

311 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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If they would include an LPG conversion for the price I could be tempted if I was wanting a car change right now. But LPG might be a bit too much change for a classic Bristol. No problem with the looks as I thought they were OK when new so as long as the period is respected, fine!

cliffie

172 posts

247 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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It looks like the love child of a Mk2 Granada and a Silver Cross Pram... I love it.

sjmoore

1,893 posts

233 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Strangely attractive...and certainly different.

gforceg

3,525 posts

208 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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One of the quirky features I actually liked about these is the spare wheel being stored vertically in the front wing behind the (I think) off-side road wheel.

LuS1fer

43,504 posts

274 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Not my thing to be honest. You talk of aircraft build quality and then you look at the location of the rear number plate, the dodgy fog lights and the outdated wing mirrors even in 1978 and you begin to have doubts.
Are those Lancia rear lights and Granada or Opel front lights? How available are they these days.

the exhaust also looks a bit like a peashooter albeit this was aimed at refinement not the muscle car sound.

vixen1700

29,010 posts

299 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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If I was after a cheap Bristol, this looks a bit better than that tired one.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C125629/

Although I'd probably save up and get a nice looking 411 rather than a god damn ugly 412. smile

gforceg

3,525 posts

208 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Hang on a minute...
Are the toothed belts running from the alternator inside out?

And what gives with the girder work on the underside of the bonnet?

Hendry

1,945 posts

311 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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andyps said:
If they would include an LPG conversion for the price I could be tempted if I was wanting a car change right now. But LPG might be a bit too much change for a classic Bristol. No problem with the looks as I thought they were OK when new so as long as the period is respected, fine!
Possibly not. There are quite a few Bristols running conversions and before it all went pair shaped the factory was marketing a Blenheim 3G with LPG itself.

I quite like 412s -- it was one of these parked up in a square in Cambridge that got me interested in them many years ago -- but a nice 411 is a better bet (although I am biased!).

HebdenHedgehog

237 posts

197 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Fun and interesting purchase for someone...

BUT what caught my eye was at the end when the words are credited to 'Andy Craig' but the Author is 'Craig-R'! How does that work then....?! confused


Even more confused now as the author has now disappeared!!! Something fishy going on???!!

Edited by HebdenHedgehog on Friday 11th March 14:29

Johnnytheboy

24,499 posts

215 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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It's the diagonal slope above the front lights that ruins the looks the most.

chickensoup

469 posts

284 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Sadly Bristol evolved at the speed of an iceberg.

A 1940 BMW can only be tweaked so much, and by the mid 1960s they were a bit retro IMHO. Never got near a fighter to see what they were like, but it is not a car that was marketed hard, and not really a car for the traditional buyer

Chris-R

756 posts

216 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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HebdenHedgehog said:
Fun and interesting purchase for someone...

BUT what caught my eye was at the end when the words are credited to 'Andy Craig' but the Author is 'Craig-R'! How does that work then....?! confused
Andy Craig wrote it, but I posted it on his behalf - just thought I should give him the credit!

HebdenHedgehog

237 posts

197 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Excellent - we're always watching you know!!biggrin

Du1point8

22,887 posts

221 months

vixen1700

29,010 posts

299 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Du1point8 said:
I think I saw that car on the Bristol site a while back, SOLD for £149,000. smile

stropley

357 posts

193 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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Is this going to become a regular feature - the 10K SOTW ?

TheOrangePeril

840 posts

209 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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No uglier than the SOTW or http://www.astonmartins.com/v8/DSC_0307_zagato_vol... !

The proper engineering speaks for itself. A 90s Toyota might seem the ultimate in enduring reliability, but when it comes to 2042 and the VTEC's ground away to filings, I know which I'd rather own.

DS3R

13,306 posts

195 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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stropley said:
Is this going to become a regular feature - the 10K SOTW ?
THAT is a good idea.

jamespink

1,218 posts

233 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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The whole "Aircraft" comparison is fine for the early 2 litre cars, superb styling, delicious aluminium detailing, precise handling through light weight but it all falls flat when you are declaring two tons of american lump and trans housed in a chasis like the fourth bridge as an example of aircraft engineering. Bristol completely lost their way and no amount of rosy glasses will correct that. They are bust or a reason. They forgot a product has to find real world buyers. Look no further than Aston Martin as a car maker rescued from the brink of disaster of its own design!

JamesJTS

18 posts

200 months

Friday 11th March 2011
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I'm suprised some of the famous Bristol owners haven't stepped in to support the brand, Richard Branson, Paul Smith, Liam Gallagher...

It is a cool car, completely ugly but very cool in the same way the Iso Fida is (if you needed 4 doors and massive running costs).