Are ANPR cameras going too far?
Poll: Are ANPR cameras going too far?
Total Members Polled: 166
Discussion
Royston is to become Britain’s first ‘ring of steel’ town as hidden cameras watch all routes, police have revealed.
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Royston/Hidden-cam...
I have serious concerns over how these cameras will be used in the future.
No plans currently in place for a road pricing scheme but widespread ANPR could make it a possibility in years to come.
The PSNI has been allocated over £12 million to install ANPR. Many sites already operational throughout Belfast, the argument being that it will help catch terrorists. Obviously they will not use cloned/stolen cars, preferring to borrow their mums Fiesta to allow them to be easily tracked.
No plans currently in place for a road pricing scheme but widespread ANPR could make it a possibility in years to come.
The PSNI has been allocated over £12 million to install ANPR. Many sites already operational throughout Belfast, the argument being that it will help catch terrorists. Obviously they will not use cloned/stolen cars, preferring to borrow their mums Fiesta to allow them to be easily tracked.
There's already been discussion here about using existing ANPR cameras for average speed enforcement.
Funk said:
Answer = plate cloning.
It's a lazy way to Police and the real crims will continue to get away, much like poor driving isn't detected by speed cameras.
Except they don't. It leads to more 'real' crims being caught. They use cars you see. They also travel large areas to commit crimes and are not known nationally. It's a lazy way to Police and the real crims will continue to get away, much like poor driving isn't detected by speed cameras.
It catches disqualified drivers and uninsured cars. It's used on top of normal policing not instead of.
Still. Feel free to ignore that.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Except they don't. It leads to more 'real' crims being caught. They use cars you see. They also travel large areas to commit crimes and are not known nationally.
It catches disqualified drivers and uninsured cars. It's used on top of normal policing not instead of.
Still. Feel free to ignore that.
The more it's used, the more people will evade it. It may catch 'low-level' scum here and there, but if it becomes relied-upon, the 'real' criminals will simply use plate cloning or unregistered cars. You can't track a fake plate, and a cloned plate will lead you to the wrong person.It catches disqualified drivers and uninsured cars. It's used on top of normal policing not instead of.
Still. Feel free to ignore that.
I fear it is also the stealth application of a national road pricing scheme. "Ooh look, we have this entire network of cameras we could use to track peoples' mileage and charge them for it." Not that I have 'something to hide', but I would hate to have my every movement tracked by a massive network of cameras. I find the whole concept somewhat sinister.
otolith said:
So whenever anyone enters or leaves the town by car, their details will be taken down and it will be checked that their papers are in order.
I think that if this were implemented less stealthily - perhaps with manned checkpoints - people might have a different view on it.
I think that if this were implemented less stealthily - perhaps with manned checkpoints - people might have a different view on it.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Except they don't. It leads to more 'real' crims being caught. They use cars you see. They also travel large areas to commit crimes and are not known nationally.
It catches disqualified drivers and uninsured cars. It's used on top of normal policing not instead of.
Still. Feel free to ignore that.
OK, I'll ignore that. It catches disqualified drivers and uninsured cars. It's used on top of normal policing not instead of.
Still. Feel free to ignore that.
Trouble is will lead to slightly fewer, but smarter criminals who know how to fool the system, because the computer will say OK.
This a money driven initiative. Cameras, networks and excellently run HMG computer systems are cheaper than police and their inconveniences like, salaries, overtime, sick pay, injury, and pensions. The cameras will show a profit once the new systems come into place.
eldar said:
Trouble is will lead to slightly fewer, but smarter criminals who know how to fool the system, because the computer will say OK.
This a money driven initiative. Cameras, networks and excellently run HMG computer systems are cheaper than police and their inconveniences like, salaries, overtime, sick pay, injury, and pensions. The cameras will show a profit once the new systems come into place.
So why is it a bad thing ?This a money driven initiative. Cameras, networks and excellently run HMG computer systems are cheaper than police and their inconveniences like, salaries, overtime, sick pay, injury, and pensions. The cameras will show a profit once the new systems come into place.
Funk said:
The more it's used, the more people will evade it. It may catch 'low-level' scum here and there, but if it becomes relied-upon, the 'real' criminals will simply use plate cloning or unregistered cars. You can't track a fake plate, and a cloned plate will lead you to the wrong person.
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It's a shame you haven't got a CLUE what you are talking about..
ANPR catched high level criminals. I know, because I'm involved in it every day. Getting no insurance and no licence offences is a welcome extra that the capability gives us.
There are many criminals who think they are being smart and many are using cars with cloned plates. Oddly enough, they also get caught thanks to ANPR.
Funk said:
It seems that - so far - the polls support my view, not yours though.
Mine isn't a 'view', it's fact. You have NO idea what ANPR is used for, because most of its capability and use will never be known to the public. I'm afraid that even the Daily Mail doesn't know either.Countdown said:
Elroy
Slightly O/T but occasionally there are reports of certain areas of the country where there are a high number of uninsured drivers (eg Bradford). No idea if this is true or not but why don't the Police use ANPR more?
Because 1. The use of ANPR to catch uninsured.no licence offences isn't it's primary role Slightly O/T but occasionally there are reports of certain areas of the country where there are a high number of uninsured drivers (eg Bradford). No idea if this is true or not but why don't the Police use ANPR more?
2. There are far more uninsured cars than there are Officers. 1.5 million cars a day use the m/way network that I work on. Many are not insured. There are usually around 7-8 patrol cars to cover the whole area and deal with everything. I'll let you do the maths.
Elroy Blue said:
You have NO idea what ANPR is used for, because most of its capability and use will never be known to the public. I'm afraid that even the Daily Mail doesn't know either.
Woah 
Im not usually a member of the tinfoil brigade but that doesn't sound very healthy to me.My understanding was that ANPR was, primarily, to prevent motor-related offences. Your post suggests that this isn't the case and the real reason(s) are deliberately being witheld from the Public.
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