Brake advice please
Discussion
Recently ive noticed the pug isnt stopping quite as well as it used to. Not that it was ever worth shouting about, but I have noticed im putting a bit more effort on the pedal and it is starting to get closer to the floor. I've checked the brake fluid, that seems as close to the max as possible, I think if I tried to top it up it would just go straight over the max.
Going to jack it up tommorow and have a look at what state the front pads are in. It had a new set of pads and disks around 20,000 miles ago. How long should they last? Am I right in thinking disks should last around 2 sets of pads? Or am I making stuff up? How do I tell how much life is left in a disk?
The front I shouldnt have too much trouble with, pads are simple enough. It's the back im entering the unknown with. I have ye olde drums on the back. Should the front be fine and seem like enough life still in them. What needs replacing on the back?
Thanks
Going to jack it up tommorow and have a look at what state the front pads are in. It had a new set of pads and disks around 20,000 miles ago. How long should they last? Am I right in thinking disks should last around 2 sets of pads? Or am I making stuff up? How do I tell how much life is left in a disk?
The front I shouldnt have too much trouble with, pads are simple enough. It's the back im entering the unknown with. I have ye olde drums on the back. Should the front be fine and seem like enough life still in them. What needs replacing on the back?
Thanks
I'd try bleeding things first, possibly even a complete fluid change.
If you've never changed a set of shoes on some drum brakes, get soemoen that knows what they are doing to show you how. There's often a lot of delicate force needed to remove the drums. There's also a lot of springs in there that can be very frustrating. Pads on disc brakes are so much easier.
If you've never changed a set of shoes on some drum brakes, get soemoen that knows what they are doing to show you how. There's often a lot of delicate force needed to remove the drums. There's also a lot of springs in there that can be very frustrating. Pads on disc brakes are so much easier.
Monty Python said:
I'd be very surprised if it's the back - the braking systems cars are biased towards the front, so if you notice that braking is worse, it's either the front or something affecting the system as a whole.
You'd think, wouldn't you? But if the rear adjusters are seized there is an extra couple of mm of fluid needed to be pushed into the rear pipes before the pedal firms up. And if there's that extra travel needed at the back there's not enough pressure to press the front calipers onto the discs.davepoth said:
BliarOut said:
Unless, of course, the problem is air in the system 
Not likely unless there's a leak somewhere or the OP has done work on the brakes. The fact that the handbrake has excess travel on it is a bit of a giveaway.B) Pedal moving closer to the floor can (also) indicate air in the system.
Pug rear seals have a habit of going
If you don't know when the fluid was last purged and you have the right kit a complete change takes minutes.
Ye olde Peugeot rear wheel cylinders have a habit of leaking. Lubricates the drum & brake shoes nicely! You may not notice much of a drop in the fluid level.
Remove drums & inspect. If its one side you may as well do both as the one that hasn't gone usually comes out in sympathy shortly after its mate!
Fit new shoes as well.
Over the years we had 4 306's & they all did it!
Remove drums & inspect. If its one side you may as well do both as the one that hasn't gone usually comes out in sympathy shortly after its mate!
Fit new shoes as well.
Over the years we had 4 306's & they all did it!
LeeThr said:
Going to jack it up tommorow and have a look at what state the front pads are in. It had a new set of pads and disks around 20,000 miles ago. How long should they last?
@ 20,000 miles I expect pretty worn pads, that would be my first check.LeeThr said:
Am I right in thinking disks should last around 2 sets of pads? Or am I making stuff up? How do I tell how much life is left in a disk?
As a rule of thumb type thing then I'd say at least 2 sets of pads per disc. Best way of checking if you need new discs is to measure them, but you need to know the recommended minimum size.
Inspect them and if they are badly scored, or have a big lip on either face then I'd change them.
LeeThr said:
The front I shouldnt have too much trouble with, pads are simple enough. It's the back im entering the unknown with. I have ye olde drums on the back. Should the front be fine and seem like enough life still in them. What needs replacing on the back?
Drums and shoes as others have said are a bit more tricky than pads and discs, but once you have an idea of what goes where it shouldn't be too bad if you are reasonably technical. Taking the drum off can often be the hardest part, but worth doing so you can check for any leaks and wear on the shoes.
HTH
Also as far as I know 206's are like 106's and 306'. Their rear beams have a load compensating valve on the back that modulates brake pressure depending on how the suspension ins compressed.
Look under the beam and offset to one side between the dampers you'll see it, piston with a coil spring round it. Probably extremely rusty and gammed up, could well be seized and causing a brake imbalance.
Look under the beam and offset to one side between the dampers you'll see it, piston with a coil spring round it. Probably extremely rusty and gammed up, could well be seized and causing a brake imbalance.
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