RE: MG Is Back: Should We Care?
RE: MG Is Back: Should We Care?
Thursday 14th April 2011

MG Is Back: Should We Care?

As MG production starts, we look forward to the fun stuff...


The appearance of this...
The appearance of this...
Production of MG cars has restarted today, after a five-year hiatus caused by the demise of MG Rover. Now it's back, as MG Motor, with the first UK-assembled MG6 rolling off the production line as of 11am today.

This could be more than a zero-interest cooking hatch assembled from kits shipped direct from China, too: We hear tell that the MG6 actually drives in a moderately competent, amusing manner, and that SAIC-owned MG Motor has plans for the future that will see it gradually become more and more significant.

...won't mean the return of these...
...won't mean the return of these...
It already wants to build 10,000 MG6s a year, and the intent is to expand that with an MG3 supermini and the MG5 family hatch in the fullness of time. There's the space to do it all, as well. The Longbridge behemoth is gone, to be replaced by houses and retail parks - but, for 5 years, China has been paying to keep a section of the original facility mothballed (compare its size, said one source, to other volume plants in Europe - there's still large-volume potential there).

Today, a tiny fraction of it is being used - but the huge CAB B building, originally designed to build the BMW MINI yet never utilised, is theoretically available, along with the MG Rover paint shop...

...but modern versions of these...
...but modern versions of these...
Here's the real key, though: all MGs will be fully engineered in the UK. The MG Motor Birmingham design centre is where all worldwide MGs are born, including the MG6. 300 engineers work there, with million-pound IT servers connecting them instantly to China. They create from clean sheets, China builds (and now, UK assembles, too).

The current MG6 might use a 1.8-litre turbo derived from the old K-Series, but new (and more interesting) motors are on the way. The smaller units will power a future supermini, but there's also a large engine family being worked on, including four-cylinder and V6 units. Next year, a brand new UK-designed 1.9-litre diesel will come, too, a brave move in a world where most independent outfits are relying on bought-in units or technological joint ventures.

...or these are on the cards
...or these are on the cards
Sales and marketing director Guy Jones, also says that MG is after the enthusiast vote, and will make "desirable British sports cars, focusing on driving dynamics. They don't necessarily have the biggest engines, but affordability is key. MG has never been about rivalling Ferrari." He adds, presumably as a sideswipe at the old MG Rover's dalliances with diversions such as the MG SV supercar...

Future MGs should rival the best for sector dynamics, he says, and that includes both handling AND ride. MGs in the MG Rover days were compromised (as in, stiff-riding) because of the need to be distinct from Rovers - "we don't have to engineer in that contrast now," says a development boss. The result will be cars with, say, Focus handling and Golf ride; indeed, that's already what MG engineers have been aiming for in benchmark tests.


Actual sports cars may have to wait, though; the Chinese car market is yet to develop an enthusiast streak. The bosses in China are unlikely to sign off a new sports car, when there's so much else to be done. For now, then, it's sporting versions of family metal (which is what MG started off doing, after all). Not quite a new MGF, then, but modern versions of the MG ZR and ZT? Certainly.

It's a good-news story, the return of MG in the UK, that is cheering all the news channels today. Car buffs are naturally more cynical - but it should not be dismissed as pleasing but pointless.


No, the current MG6 may not be particularly interesting, but the plans the firm has are. Despite the Chinese ownership, this is a company with British engineering at its heart - and with British talent finally enjoying world-class resources, it could be the start of something very interesting...

 

Story by Richard Aucock

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toppstuff

Original Poster:

13,698 posts

276 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Of course we should care !

This means that blokes in the midlands are employed building cars. Providing for their families and bringing income to the economy. And that can never be a bad thing.

There is no point in the endless debating about the MG "brand" or the ownership by the Chinese etc. Lets just respect the fact that this is British design and manufacture and , therefore, something to applaud.

Good luck to 'em.




ChrisOB1

289 posts

255 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Any help to the UK motor industry is great news very happy to see them producing cars at longbridge and a great boost for the local economy long may it continue...

Ray Singh

3,084 posts

259 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Good luck to them. Its nice to see the MG name on something again.

I don't like the look of the product, but that doesn't mean its bad. In fact i guess if they can shift enough of these cars, they may have budget to produce something exciting again?




gary71

2,037 posts

208 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Maybe if they sell enough they can afford to heat the plant so the guys building it don't have to wear bobble hats... smile

Not my cup of tea, but UK design and assembly cannot be a bad thing!

Papa Hotel

12,760 posts

211 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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For the sake of the guys employed there, I hope I'm wrong but I can't see this being anything but a massive failure. I just think it's a mistake to resurrect the name, it should have been left in history with the iconic cars that carried the badge and even the more recent mutated Rovers. MG could have been fondly remembered but now I feel it is destined to become a failure for the umpteenth time and become a byword for screwing up.

Also, the name really grates on me. Shouldn't it be MG Motors?

Edited by Papa Hotel on Wednesday 13th April 15:03

sootyrumble

295 posts

215 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Good luck to them Evo did a report on the new car and was very favourable and i support anything to boost the UK car industry we should all get behind them and wish them well

Project C

739 posts

234 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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One of my neighbours had a MG6 for a day or so last year - never went and asked about it but it did look good.

andymadmak

15,628 posts

299 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Papa Hotel said:
I can't see this being anything but a massive failure............... it should have been left in history with the ironic cars that carried the badge ...............
Oh the irony hehe

greeneggsnsam

648 posts

185 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Papa Hotel said:
Also, the name really grates on me. Shouldn't it be MG Motors?
Bad translaton from Chinese. They're also planning to reurrect Rover under the name "River".

Liquid Knight

15,754 posts

212 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Papa Hotel

12,760 posts

211 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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andymadmak said:
Oh the irony hehe
hehe daft autocorrrect on my phone. I'll not edit it, I like it like that!

Papa Hotel

12,760 posts

211 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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greeneggsnsam said:
Bad translaton from Chinese. They're also planning to reurrect Rover under the name "River".
Isn't it Roewe? Say it in a German accent, it almost, kind of, sort of, roughly approximates Rover.

Frimley111R

19,227 posts

263 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Is that a chav trying to nick the front wheel? laugh

Anyway, joking aside, its great news and we should abso-bloody-lutely care!!!

PS: Stupid headline PH nono

Twincam16

27,647 posts

287 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Project C said:
One of my neighbours had a MG6 for a day or so last year - never went and asked about it but it did look good.
I see someone commuting in a pre-production model in Manchester most days. It turns a lot of heads in heavy city-centre traffic I must say.

This is excellent news. I doubt it'll 'fail' either. The Chinese are rather ruthless as far as business and profit margins go and it would have been no skin off their noses to just ship the whole plant over to China and have them hammered together by people who make knock-off Honda C90s just to save themselves a few bob. But no, they want them designed, engineered and assembled here because they respect the fact that we know what we're doing and can build them to a high quality. The simple, individual parts are made in China to keep end-product costs down, I'd imagine, which is why you can get a British-designed, British-built warmish sports-saloon the size of a Citroen C6 for the price of a mid-range Ford Focus.

None of the road testers have had anything negative to say about the way it drives at all - Autocar said it was like a big Focus to drive. Bear in mind the sheer amount of metal you're getting for your money and it seems to me that it'll be a success, if not in curmudgeonly old Britain then in places like Italy, where they've been snapping up MGs and giving them design awards for years.

Also, if this sells, they'll build an all-new rear-drive roadster.

farrendahl

1,248 posts

203 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Twincam16 said:
I see someone commuting in a pre-production model in Manchester most days. It turns a lot of heads in heavy city-centre traffic I must say.
That would be a light blue metallic Roewe model if it's the same car I think it is (quite often close to the Salford Quays area) Have to admit it does look slightly better in the metal.

The main thing is though, as has been remarked by many is that the restart in production keeps people in jobs and the fact that design is being handled in the UK can only be good things.

Welcome back MG, lets hope you stay around.

Black S2K

1,903 posts

278 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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It's very good news on so many levels, not just the aforementioned.

There is a sort of satisfaction that ALL the elements of Britisch Elend are now back making decent cars again now they are under competent management and the buffoons & politico-meddlers such as Mr Benn have buggered off: MINI, VolumeMG, Land Rover, Jaguar, etc. Not necessarily always PH heaven, but certainly no worse and often a lot better than a lot of Eurorubbish.

7mike

3,214 posts

222 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Twincam16 said:
The Chinese are rather ruthless.......
.............None of the road testers have had anything negative to say.
That ruthlessyikes

hehe

Twincam16

27,647 posts

287 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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farrendahl said:
That would be a light blue metallic Roewe model if it's the same car I think it is (quite often close to the Salford Quays area) Have to admit it does look slightly better in the metal.
I've seen that one too - LHD IIRC? But I was thinking of a light metallic silvery-gold one (looks almost like Alfa Romeo Argento Bianco) with its MG badges removed, that usually drives down John Dalton Street in the direction of Princess Street about 8:15 most weekday mornings.

Negative Creep

26,075 posts

256 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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toppstuff said:
Of course we should care !

This means that blokes in the midlands are employed building cars. Providing for their families and bringing income to the economy. And that can never be a bad thing.

There is no point in the endless debating about the MG "brand" or the ownership by the Chinese etc. Lets just respect the fact that this is British design and manufacture and , therefore, something to applaud.

Good luck to 'em.
First post has summed it up perfectly. This will still turn into a 15 page topic on head gaskets though

Lawrence5

1,254 posts

264 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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.....a bit like having your dead dog stuffed and sat in the corner - just not what he used to be frown