Scooters, kids and cars...
Discussion
Driving home from Sainsbury this evening with the nippers in the back and I had some t
t behind me, practically in my boot, dressed in shorts and a tee shirt riding a scooter. It got me thinking – why are 16 year olds allowed to ride these? What material benefit is there to society, the economy etc... Further to this, I then started thinking about insurance for 17 year old car drivers, and if in fact the premiums reflected the fact that at 17 you are just not mature enough to drive...
Sorry to all those responsible 17 year old PH members – I appreciate what I am saying generalises somewhat, but then, insurance generalises and so do people
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t behind me, practically in my boot, dressed in shorts and a tee shirt riding a scooter. It got me thinking – why are 16 year olds allowed to ride these? What material benefit is there to society, the economy etc... Further to this, I then started thinking about insurance for 17 year old car drivers, and if in fact the premiums reflected the fact that at 17 you are just not mature enough to drive...Sorry to all those responsible 17 year old PH members – I appreciate what I am saying generalises somewhat, but then, insurance generalises and so do people
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paulmoonraker said:
Sorry to all those responsible 17 year old PH members – I appreciate what I am saying generalises somewhat, but then, insurance generalises and so do people
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I know what you mean , I had my Moped which was extremely fast (for a moped). I used to wheelie all over the place / stand up wheelies etc. but never in harms way other than at the Ace Cafe London.
I do see the other view which (isnt acceptable but true) I found, you've got alot of freedom and think you're untouchable and the best rider in the world. I have been riding bikes for years but still never get over zelous.
In my town centre of a weekday/weekend night, we have groups of 3-4 moped drivers driving side-by-side up and down the street, often within inches of the car infront.
Dont they realise where they'll end up if that car suddenly brakes?
They are just a menace, which the police turn a blind eye to despite being to watch them via CCTV. I guess thats because they arent doing more than 30mph...
Dont they realise where they'll end up if that car suddenly brakes?
They are just a menace, which the police turn a blind eye to despite being to watch them via CCTV. I guess thats because they arent doing more than 30mph...
paulmoonraker said:
Driving home from Sainsbury this evening with the nippers in the back and I had some tt behind me, practically in my boot, dressed in shorts and a tee shirt riding a scooter. It got me thinking – why are 16 year olds allowed to ride these? What material benefit is there to society, the economy etc... Further to this, I then started thinking about insurance for 17 year old car drivers, and if in fact the premiums reflected the fact that at 17 you are just not mature enough to drive...
Sorry to all those responsible 17 year old PH members – I appreciate what I am saying generalises somewhat, but then, insurance generalises and so do people
-P
Bit of a long shot, but by any chance was this in Ipswich town centre near sainsburys petrol station???t behind me, practically in my boot, dressed in shorts and a tee shirt riding a scooter. It got me thinking – why are 16 year olds allowed to ride these? What material benefit is there to society, the economy etc... Further to this, I then started thinking about insurance for 17 year old car drivers, and if in fact the premiums reflected the fact that at 17 you are just not mature enough to drive...Sorry to all those responsible 17 year old PH members – I appreciate what I am saying generalises somewhat, but then, insurance generalises and so do people
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16 year olds on scooters are a pain in the arse. Luckily, they're too slow to get themselves into real trouble but they do seem to have abysmal driving skills. No idea of positioning, no planning ahead, no observational skills, no anticipation of what other road users are doing.
To be expected I suppose, since they get on them and can ride on the roads with no tuition whatsoever.
To be expected I suppose, since they get on them and can ride on the roads with no tuition whatsoever.
Baryonyx said:
16 year olds on scooters are a pain in the arse. Luckily, they're too slow to get themselves into real trouble but they do seem to have abysmal driving skills. No idea of positioning, no planning ahead, no observational skills, no anticipation of what other road users are doing.
To be expected I suppose, since they get on them and can ride on the roads with no tuition whatsoever.
"No tuition what so ever"?? CBT (certified basic training) takes almost a day, and is considerably harder than one may imagine. Although.. it is impossible to fail.To be expected I suppose, since they get on them and can ride on the roads with no tuition whatsoever.
MC Bodge said:
XDA said:
They are just a menace, which the police turn a blind eye to despite being to watch them via CCTV. I guess thats because they arent doing more than 30mph...
It's not a new phenomenon. Our grandparents were saying similar things about chaps like this:
I had a 40mph moped at 16 with a massive 1.5hp and it turned my whole world from dull to total mobility. It was freedom. I rode it sensibly for 18m. You fail to appreciate the effort it takes to speed up once you slow down. It was when i got a car I drove like a twunt. I see that now.
I dont mind, there's a few around these parts, never really bothered me. But thing is, some kids around here live quite rural, so getting a Moped at 16 is actually really beneficial on their social lives... TBH, I'd rather them on mopeds than hanging around street corners being generally anti social. Also gives them a year on the roads before they get in a car, which can only be benificial, no?
IDK, but I think one of my mates who used to ride mopeds ect, when he passed his test he was able to use his NCB for his car insurance. Not 100% on this though.
To be completely honest... I think Vespas are quite cool and would actually own and ride one if I could justify the extra costs...
IDK, but I think one of my mates who used to ride mopeds ect, when he passed his test he was able to use his NCB for his car insurance. Not 100% on this though.
To be completely honest... I think Vespas are quite cool and would actually own and ride one if I could justify the extra costs...
Benbay001 said:
"No tuition what so ever"?? CBT (certified basic training) takes almost a day, and is considerably harder than one may imagine. Although.. it is impossible to fail.
Not actually impossible. I managed it! Almost crashed into another road user on the ride out sectionof the test. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff