RE: New Audi SQ6 e-tron gets 517hp, costs £93k

[Nomme de Plum]

Cobnapint said:

Bryans69 said:

But why would you replace a battery after 11 years? A 5 year old Model 3 for example is now less than £20k with reasonable miles. Assume you buy, and run for another 5 years. Working on 2% degradation a year, that drops its range to something like 200 miles. Given the average daily mileage for a car in the UK is something like 30 miles, that's still a lot between charges. So why wouldn't that make a good £10k buy? It's going to be far cheaper than a similar ICE to run, especially as a second "run about" doing the daily stuff. And will have a good few years left in it.
I get the obsession with range, especially with a public charging infrastructure that has a way to go, but for most journeys, most of the time, it's not really an issue

I wouldn't necessarily replace it after 11 years, I was just using that as a ball park figure because the pack would be out of warranty, it will have lost a good 10% of it's capacity whilst also entering the zone where individual cells within it (and there are plenty of them) 'may' start to fail.
Why wouldn't I buy a 5 year old Tesla M3? Because with 200 miles range it'd be a ball ache going on holiday. If I was just a town driver then no problem of course.

Edited by Cobnapint on Thursday 21st March 07:44

Actual independent range data rather than some guessed number.

From Fleet News

Real range estimation Between 205 - 410 mi
City - cold weather *
270 mi
Highway - cold weather *
205 mi
Combined - cold weather *
235 mi
City - mild weather *
410 mi
Highway - mild weather *
265 mi
Combined - mild weather *
265 mi

From here
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/electric-fleet/electri...

So not 200 miles but 265 so for 3year old about 257miles. Can't see why that would be much of an issue as it represents a minimum non stop 4 hours driving.

[WCZ]

how come the city range is higher than highway for ev's?

[Cobnapint]

Nomme de Plum said:

Actual independent range data rather than some guessed number.

From Fleet News

Real range estimation Between 205 - 410 mi
City - cold weather *
270 mi
Highway - cold weather *
205 mi
Combined - cold weather *
235 mi
City - mild weather *
410 mi
Highway - mild weather *
265 mi
Combined - mild weather *
265 mi

From here
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/electric-fleet/electri...

So not 200 miles but 265 so for 3year old about 257miles. Can't see why that would be much of an issue as it represents a minimum non stop 4 hours driving.

Ok, but the 200 miles figure wasn't mine, I was just responding to Bryans69.

[Bryans69]

Cobnapint said:

Nomme de Plum said:

Actual independent range data rather than some guessed number.

From Fleet News

Real range estimation Between 205 - 410 mi
City - cold weather *
270 mi
Highway - cold weather *
205 mi
Combined - cold weather *
235 mi
City - mild weather *
410 mi
Highway - mild weather *
265 mi
Combined - mild weather *
265 mi

From here
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/electric-fleet/electri...

So not 200 miles but 265 so for 3year old about 257miles. Can't see why that would be much of an issue as it represents a minimum non stop 4 hours driving.

Ok, but the 200 miles figure wasn't mine, I was just responding to Bryans69.

And in fairness, I was talking about after 10 years, and numbers where very rough.

My point being that there is no reason to think a 10 year old EV won't make a perfectly good second car

[Kawasicki]

WCZ said:

how come the city range is higher than highway for ev's?

Aero drag in the city is much lower.

[Nomme de Plum]

Kawasicki said:

WCZ said:

how come the city range is higher than highway for ev's?

Aero drag in the city is much lower.

Lower speeds (less energy expended and less drag) and Regeneration.

[nismo48]

CoolHands said:

Great another huge tank with a pea-head badly driving it coming your way soon

Harsh but some truth there

[rudester]

CLK-GTR said:

If only Audi made a slippery version of the SQ6 with a letter missing from the name and a few less inches in height.

Isn't what you are describing, the GT e-tron? Granted, it's not a wagen, but it's slippery and far lower.

[plfrench]

rudester said:

CLK-GTR said:

If only Audi made a slippery version of the SQ6 with a letter missing from the name and a few less inches in height.

Isn't what you are describing, the GT e-tron? Granted, it's not a wagen, but it's slippery and far lower.

No, it's the very soon to be released A6 etron (I think they're dropping the e-tron part soon and moving to odd numbers = ICE/hybrid and even numbers = EV as people get the picture ) and the S version of that.

[James6112]

anonymous-user said:

Yep, annoy your neighbours by taking up both sides of your new build’s shared drive. Sacrifice your salary so you can complain about being skint and cost of nursery fees which should be funded by the tax payer, and of course your empty fridge. Still you have a 7kw charger thrown in with the cost of stamp duty, carpets and a fake lawn so life’s good.

Lifted from the Daily Wail comment section?

[Terminator X]

Nomme de Plum said:

Cobnapint said:

Nomme de Plum said:

How many more times are we going to get this video posted.

Did you not see the unequal financing comparison which made the diesel more attractive?

Such a shame that those of us with EVs that have done reasonable mileage aren't seeing any significant battery degradation, in my case negligible.

Battery deg happens. It is the unavoidable reality of battery chemistry. From what I read in a temperate climate like ours, about 1.2% per year seems to be the norm.
What's your story, what's your EV and deg stats?

Of course battery degradation happens, I said not significant. I was involved in the Data Centre industry so had some interest in battery longevity and performance.

I'm not seeing quite that much in mine. It's currently a bit less than 1%. We will see whether the degredation stays reasonably linear.

Battery performance and durability is improving year on year so the battery life issue is not really a thing at all.

The overwhelming majority of car on our roads are under 14 years old so even using your percentage this would represent just under 17% degradation. In other words still at 83%

83% of of a range that you have to factor at 0.7 to get it correct then of course never run it above 80% charge

TX.

[biggbn]

Yes please, really like that

[CLK-GTR]

rudester said:

Isn't what you are describing, the GT e-tron? Granted, it's not a wagen, but it's slippery and far lower.

The S6. How much longer we see them for I don't know, fewer and fewer estates being built as everybody wants SUVs now.

[plfrench]

CLK-GTR said:

rudester said:

Isn't what you are describing, the GT e-tron? Granted, it's not a wagen, but it's slippery and far lower.

The S6. How much longer we see them for I don't know, fewer and fewer estates being built as everybody wants SUVs now.

The A6 saloon is due to launch in the next couple of months - probably S6 will be very close behind. The estate is coming also but not confirmed if it will launch at the same time or a bit later.

[CLK-GTR]

plfrench said:

The A6 saloon is due to launch in the next couple of months - probably S6 will be very close behind. The estate is coming also but not confirmed if it will launch at the same time or a bit later.

Audi sell plenty of Avants but Porsche have stopped selling the Panamera estate through lack of interest and when I went into the local Mercedes they didn't have a single estate new or used in stock.

[rudester]

CLK-GTR said:

The S6. How much longer we see them for I don't know, fewer and fewer estates being built as everybody wants SUVs now.

Until you consider the success of the Tesla Model 3. Its always amazed me how well it has done considering that nobody wants a saloon anymore!