RE: Latest Defender gets surprise 350hp diesel
Discussion
Julian Scott said:
Most people see a car as a car, and chose the car they want, and chose the spec of that car to suit their tastes.
Most people don't give a s
t at beards asserting that SUVs are '4x4's and that they *must* be used extensively off-road in order to justify the purchase decision to the aforementioned moaning beards. Much in the same way Elise/Caterham/etc owners don't give a st whether their car is used on a race track extensively enough to justify the purchase.
And the specious analogy of the day award goes to… Most people don't give a s
t at beards asserting that SUVs are '4x4's and that they *must* be used extensively off-road in order to justify the purchase decision to the aforementioned moaning beards. Much in the same way Elise/Caterham/etc owners don't give a st whether their car is used on a race track extensively enough to justify the purchase.Chucklehead said:
i just finalised the spec on my Discovery two weeks ago and now the D350 has replaced the D300 that i ordered... so feeling a bit miffed.
Has anyone ever had any joy in getting a change like that done after the last spec date? I'm waiting to hear back from the dealership. It's not due until mid-July.
If you are spending that sort of money, I would hope the dealer/company would be willing to assist wherever possible.Has anyone ever had any joy in getting a change like that done after the last spec date? I'm waiting to hear back from the dealership. It's not due until mid-July.
Am I right in thinking you could still technically walk away at the point of delivery for [reasons]? If so, would seem far better to cancel a build before it starts...?!
NGK210 said:
Julian Scott said:
Most people see a car as a car, and chose the car they want, and chose the spec of that car to suit their tastes.
Most people don't give a st at beards asserting that SUVs are '4x4's and that they *must* be used extensively off-road in order to justify the purchase decision to the aforementioned moaning beards. Much in the same way Elise/Caterham/etc owners don't give a st whether their car is used on a race track extensively enough to justify the purchase.
And the specious analogy of the day award goes to… Most people don't give a s
t at beards asserting that SUVs are '4x4's and that they *must* be used extensively off-road in order to justify the purchase decision to the aforementioned moaning beards. Much in the same way Elise/Caterham/etc owners don't give a st whether their car is used on a race track extensively enough to justify the purchase.RSTurboPaul said:
Chucklehead said:
i just finalised the spec on my Discovery two weeks ago and now the D350 has replaced the D300 that i ordered... so feeling a bit miffed.
Has anyone ever had any joy in getting a change like that done after the last spec date? I'm waiting to hear back from the dealership. It's not due until mid-July.
If you are spending that sort of money, I would hope the dealer/company would be willing to assist wherever possible.Has anyone ever had any joy in getting a change like that done after the last spec date? I'm waiting to hear back from the dealership. It's not due until mid-July.
Am I right in thinking you could still technically walk away at the point of delivery for [reasons]? If so, would seem far better to cancel a build before it starts...?!
Julian Scott said:
NGK210 said:
Julian Scott said:
Most people see a car as a car, and chose the car they want, and chose the spec of that car to suit their tastes.
Most people don't give a st at beards asserting that SUVs are '4x4's and that they *must* be used extensively off-road in order to justify the purchase decision to the aforementioned moaning beards. Much in the same way Elise/Caterham/etc owners don't give a st whether their car is used on a race track extensively enough to justify the purchase.
And the specious analogy of the day award goes to… Most people don't give a s
t at beards asserting that SUVs are '4x4's and that they *must* be used extensively off-road in order to justify the purchase decision to the aforementioned moaning beards. Much in the same way Elise/Caterham/etc owners don't give a st whether their car is used on a race track extensively enough to justify the purchase.Whereas the average 4x4 owner exploits 0% of their car’s off-road capabilities.
However, if you’d cited the average twunt in a Ferrari, Lambo, McL, etc, who does now’t more than exploit the upper limits of 1st-gear on the streets of Knightsbridge and the West End, then fair point well made.
Chucklehead said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Chucklehead said:
i just finalised the spec on my Discovery two weeks ago and now the D350 has replaced the D300 that i ordered... so feeling a bit miffed.
Has anyone ever had any joy in getting a change like that done after the last spec date? I'm waiting to hear back from the dealership. It's not due until mid-July.
If you are spending that sort of money, I would hope the dealer/company would be willing to assist wherever possible.Has anyone ever had any joy in getting a change like that done after the last spec date? I'm waiting to hear back from the dealership. It's not due until mid-July.
Am I right in thinking you could still technically walk away at the point of delivery for [reasons]? If so, would seem far better to cancel a build before it starts...?!
lolBetter to ask earlier than later! Plus I'm sure the dealership wouldn't take it personally - their employers have changed the tune, they are just turning the handle
(if we can use that reference/analogy these days?!)NGK210 said:
Julian Scott said:
NGK210 said:
Julian Scott said:
Most people see a car as a car, and chose the car they want, and chose the spec of that car to suit their tastes.
Most people don't give a st at beards asserting that SUVs are '4x4's and that they *must* be used extensively off-road in order to justify the purchase decision to the aforementioned moaning beards. Much in the same way Elise/Caterham/etc owners don't give a st whether their car is used on a race track extensively enough to justify the purchase.
And the specious analogy of the day award goes to… Most people don't give a s
t at beards asserting that SUVs are '4x4's and that they *must* be used extensively off-road in order to justify the purchase decision to the aforementioned moaning beards. Much in the same way Elise/Caterham/etc owners don't give a st whether their car is used on a race track extensively enough to justify the purchase.Whereas the average 4x4 owner exploits 0% of their car’s off-road capabilities.
However, if you’d cited the average twunt in a Ferrari, Lambo, McL, etc, who does now’t more than exploit the upper limits of 1st-gear on the streets of Knightsbridge and the West End, then fair point well made.
...but on that, where does an SUV have to have 'off-road' abilities? (remember, 4x4 is not an SUV nor vice versa. An Audi Quattro, BMW xDrive, Merc 4matic etc etc are '4x4's - 4 wheels, all driven).
Julian Scott said:
Mackofthejungle said:
You'd be daft to get a 2.5 ton car with anything but a diesel - it's the best fuel for anyone who isn't parading around city streets in 2.5 ton 4x4s like a fanny.
Hand your PH badge in at reception and go and punch yourself in the face. The V8 is king.
martin12345 said:
The I6 almost certainly is better for CO2 but the "low power supercharged V8" is for low HC, CO and NOx emissions, not CO2/fuel economy
By having "big displacement, with low rating and Lambda = 1 AFR at all powers" it is cleaned for noxious pollutants as the catalyst will always be working as no enrichment for high load required
In fact, in the real world, the fuel economty of a Lambda =1 5.0l vs an enriched 3.0l may be pretty similar or even the 5.0l better if the engine is worked hard due to vehicle weight, otowing, spirited driving or a combination
let’s hope they have done thousands of hours on the dyno running it as lambda 1 on load. I cant help feeling they will start failing in, oh, say about 3 years time…By having "big displacement, with low rating and Lambda = 1 AFR at all powers" it is cleaned for noxious pollutants as the catalyst will always be working as no enrichment for high load required
In fact, in the real world, the fuel economty of a Lambda =1 5.0l vs an enriched 3.0l may be pretty similar or even the 5.0l better if the engine is worked hard due to vehicle weight, otowing, spirited driving or a combination
eliot said:
martin12345 said:
The I6 almost certainly is better for CO2 but the "low power supercharged V8" is for low HC, CO and NOx emissions, not CO2/fuel economy
By having "big displacement, with low rating and Lambda = 1 AFR at all powers" it is cleaned for noxious pollutants as the catalyst will always be working as no enrichment for high load required
In fact, in the real world, the fuel economty of a Lambda =1 5.0l vs an enriched 3.0l may be pretty similar or even the 5.0l better if the engine is worked hard due to vehicle weight, otowing, spirited driving or a combination
let’s hope they have done thousands of hours on the dyno running it as lambda 1 on load. I cant help feeling they will start failing in, oh, say about 3 years time…By having "big displacement, with low rating and Lambda = 1 AFR at all powers" it is cleaned for noxious pollutants as the catalyst will always be working as no enrichment for high load required
In fact, in the real world, the fuel economty of a Lambda =1 5.0l vs an enriched 3.0l may be pretty similar or even the 5.0l better if the engine is worked hard due to vehicle weight, otowing, spirited driving or a combination
ettore said:
Julian Scott said:
Mackofthejungle said:
You'd be daft to get a 2.5 ton car with anything but a diesel - it's the best fuel for anyone who isn't parading around city streets in 2.5 ton 4x4s like a fanny.
Hand your PH badge in at reception and go and punch yourself in the face. The V8 is king.
It is daft, but only in a good way!
Forester1965 said:
Nish Gnackers said:
Having spent a good few years doing near 6 figure annual mileages I'm aware of how quickly you need to go in free traffic to average 60mph. Which makes the MPG all the better in an aerodynamic brick. findtomdotcom said:
Sorry odd question, is LR still selling the P525 V8? I tried to check the 2024 updates but can’t see it on the website. Maybe it’s because I’m accessing the site from overseas, but I can only see the S, HSE, X trims. And the only V8 I can see is the P425?
So I managed to find the V8 under the 130 menu, (wasn't able to spec it in the 110 area). That then allowed me to add it to the 110, only half way through the spec changed to the 90? I see LR have built their website like they build cars.....
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