RE: Bristol 408 | The Brave Pill
RE: Bristol 408 | The Brave Pill
Saturday 5th June 2021

Bristol 408 | The Brave Pill

Not quite ship shape, but certainly Bristol fashion



For anybody who didn't think that last week's Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit delivered sufficient quantities of either risk or English eccentricity the bar is being raised this week. Higher than the one in Yorkshire's famous 1732-ft Tan Hill Inn. Yes, it's Brave Pill's first Bristol, a 1964 408 that sports both a not-outrageous price tag and an improbably low mileage.

There has always been a big gap between the small number of people who have even a fleeting real-world experience of a Bristol, and the far larger cohort who hold strong and often contradictory views about the company. Much of this is down to some of the brand's more vocal fans - the late, great car journo LJK Setright the best known of these - but also the ability of long-term boss Tony Crook to persuade people the company was far closer to the cutting edge than it actually was.

Bristol was born from the aircraft industry, an offshoot of the eponymous planemaker that made such heroic warbirds as the Beaufighter and Beaufort. In 1945 it saved Frazer Nash from bankruptcy and thereby acquired the right to build near clones of pre-war BMW models. A factory was set up in Filton to do so and Bristol Cars was soon enjoying modest success with a line of handsome, expensive coupes and roadsters.


This first era went on for nearly 15 years. But then an impending merger persuaded the Bristol Aircraft Company to cast off its four-wheeled subsidiary. The initial plan was to close it, but then the car division's chairman led a buy-out in 1960, with Bristol's most successful dealer, Tony Crook, acquiring a 40 percent stake in the business, later taking full control in the '70s.

Crook was a fascinating character. He had born into a wealthy mine-owning family Oop North and had acquired an early passion for fast cars and the ability to fund it, running a supercharged MG while he was still at school. During the war he upgraded this to an Alfa 8C-2900 while serving as a pilot in the RAF. When peace returned he started competing in a BMW 328, winning Britain's first post-war race meet at Gransden Lodge airfield in 1946. More success followed. Crook might have been a gentleman racer, but he was brave and talented enough to score 370 wins or placed finishes in the next nine years, and even entered the 1952 and 1953 British Grands Prix. He retired from racing after a heavy collision with Stirling Moss in the 1955 Goodwood Nine Hours sent him to hospital and he decided to concentrate on his car sales business instead.

Having bought into the firm, Crook soon made his mark on Bristol. The company's BMW-derived six-cylinder engines were starting to look off the pace by the early 'sixties, so the company took the intelligent decision to buy in cheap American power to replace them, this in the form of brawny Chrysler V8s. The cars grew bigger and grander too, although always with relatively narrow bodies that justified on the basis of reduced aerodynamic drag. They were explicitly designed for high-speed work, with our 1964 Pill's 120mph top speed likely to have been confirmed on multiple occasions on the nation's fully derestricted motorways and A-roads when it was new. All 408s also had a standard three-speed automatic gearbox - a real novelty at the time - which was controlled by panel of buttons to the right of the steering wheel.


Even when it was new any Bristol was an expensive and unusual choice, and one it wasn't always easy to make. Many of the stories of Crook vetting his potential customers have undoubtedly grown in the telling - like the one about him slamming the door of the company's Kensington showroom in Michael Winner's face rather than sell him a car - but Crook was certainly keen to maintain the exclusivity of the brand. Just 83 Bristol 408s were produced in three years and there are fewer than 10 on the road these days. So there's your brave right there.

With the exception of LJK himself - who would ultimately write Bristol's semi-official biography - Crook also had an almost virulent mistrust of motoring journalists. Plus a tendency to write elegant, scornful letters on the company's headed notepaper to correct any perceived slights or insults to his products. In the early 2000s I wrote a throwaway quip for CAR's GBU section that earned me one of these. I had pointed out that as we hadn't been allowed to drive a Bristol for over a decade we couldn't really recommend buying one. Crook's response was that we hadn't asked. So the magazine's editor politely requested that we be allowed to test a car. After a gap of several weeks Crook refused, by letter again, on the grounds he also wanted to also select the journalist to deliver the verdict.

Our Pill dates from a far earlier era in the company's long history, one where Bristol was still far closer to the state of the art in terms of both performance and dynamics. Some versions of the 408 even got electric windows and air conditioning, although this one sticks with keep-fit ventilation. It looks pretty smart from most angles, and has obviously had cosmetic work done, including what the advert says is a recent respray and gearbox overhaul. But the tarnished brightwork and the faded lacquer of the wooden dashboard suggest it will need a fair bit more TLC if it is to be returned to pristine condition.


It is also likely to have acquired some issues from what seem to be very long periods of hibernation. According to the advert the car's most recent owner had it since 1994, but only covered 474 miles in it during the last 19 years. The online MOT history can only confirm a small part of that, but shows that it had 2,898 miles showing in 2012, 39 more when it passed the following year and just two more than that when it failed its next test in 2018 with the unsurprising cause of binding rear brakes.

It passed again two months and one mile later, but hasn't been to a testing station since. So on the limited available evidence the odometer is working and - given the glacial rate at which it has accumulated in the last decade - the indicated total of under 3,000 miles might even be genuine.

It certainly seems fairly priced for what it is, cheaper than any other Bristol we could find that isn't in pieces. As they say, find another. Actually do, because then you'd be able to boast about having a cracking pair of Bristols.


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Discussion

Esceptico

Original Poster:

8,897 posts

128 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Compared with later Bristols that almost qualifies as good looking.

There have been some niche and esoteric choices on Pill but that is a niche of a niche and deserves recognition for that alone. Not sure I can see the appeal myself though.

Chubbyross

4,799 posts

104 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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I usually like Bristols (I’m not going there...) but the colour of this doesn’t do it any favours. I’d want this car in an elegant dark silver, especially with that interior. Other than that it’s rather pleasing.

Sahjahd

420 posts

64 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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I prefer the earlier styling, but can see the appeal at that price. Unfortunately I am simply too busy. If it is structurally sound, there's not too much bravery required for a mechanically competent new owner.

Baddie

740 posts

236 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Good pill!
A few years back I went to the Kensington showroom to investigate Bristol ownership. There was a good collection of older models in the basement, and I liked the 410, a little more modern, with a 4 spd manual. Impending parenthood kept me sensible, but these are my favourite looking Bristols.

This would probably need a bit too much “investment”, but would be interesting.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

280 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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I actually like that in old English white. I'm not a Bristol fan, per se. But they fascinate me. Proportions are all wrong, but there is something very 'old money' about a Bristol.

If I had the space I'd be very tempted if I'd had had one too many at the club at luncheon.

Johnnytheboy

24,499 posts

205 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Was thinking it was quite handsome until the final shot.

Something about the very short front overhang and the very long rear one just looks bizarre.

Drive it fix it repeat

1,046 posts

70 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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I like it. As it would happen I saw a Bristol yesterday in hungerford and thought to myself that it was a very long time since I had last seen one, I’m ashamed to say I haven’t got a scooby what model it was though. I remember about 10 years ago one of my uncles had a Bristol in his garden parked under a tree and had been there for some time, knowing him it is probably in exactly the same place now sadly.

benzinbob

750 posts

75 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Lovely

DBRacingGod

615 posts

211 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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I can almost smell the damp carpets and petrol from here.

Buzzfan

139 posts

213 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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A fun choice for any knowledgeable Bristol fans who can do their own mechanical work, but possibly a financial nightmare for anyone who'd need to rely on specialists. A friend had a tatty one about 3 decades ago - I'd heard he'd paid about £6k for it, spent £6k within a year on brakes and minor work and hurriedly resold it at purchase price before more bills appeared.

Edited by Buzzfan on Saturday 5th June 09:59

Lester H

3,730 posts

124 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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I like it. On reflection, maybe it’s just as well that I don’t own a large dry barn! With the exception of today’s retro cars, it’s the antidote to current identikit cars

Mysstree

547 posts

65 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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The front passenger wing looks a slightly different shade and slightly out of line to the rest of the car.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

280 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Of course it does! I hit a bloody stag coming home from Fotherington-Smythe's Hunt Ball last year after rather a lot of claret and brandy trying to avoid the bally ditch by the side of the road.

hehe

emperorburger

1,484 posts

85 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Mysstree said:
The front passenger wing looks a slightly different shade and slightly out of line to the rest of the car.
The spare tyre lives under there.

Phil Cook

75 posts

75 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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IIRC the wing lifts to reveal the spare tyre. Maybe that’s why it looks misaligned?

Phil Cook

75 posts

75 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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I remember when I was about 10 my Dad talking to a chap who was a dealer at a car show we came across who thought my Dad was interested in buying one. The car he had there was a Beaufighter registered 100 MPH (seems it’s still on the road). When my Dad was asked what he currently drove and replied a Triumph Toledo the dealer clearly realised Dad didn’t have deep enough pockets or a large country pile!

Rumblestripe

3,686 posts

181 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Yes, there is a problem with the overhangs but it still exudes a certain class that other cars simply don't have. A mate of mine went from restoring Jags to Bristols though I have long since lost touch with him I remember the first one he bought after getting rid of a rather nice XK140 Coupe. It was in a right state and I couldn't help but wonder what had possessed him! The mechanicals are rock solid though with the big yank V8 which will run forever and a slush box built to tolerate far higher outputs.

Yeah I like it, I think it would suit a darker colour better and a gunmetal grey is a good shout with that red interior.

geo1905

88 posts

83 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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Well, it's a fairly interesting old thing but is going to need lots of TLC now and for ever. I am constantly struck by the poor fit and finish of many old cars (look at the crude way the door cards are screwed on) the awful static belts and, of course, that unmistakable smell of oil, petrol, leather combined with a faint odour of damp and rot. Not for me !

Drooles

1,508 posts

75 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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I think that is awesome and it doesn’t seem like a crazy price compared with other cars of the era. An interesting choice for someone who wants something a little different

alfaspecial

1,186 posts

159 months

Saturday 5th June 2021
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At Haynes Breakfast Club a year or two back there was a chap who worked for a restorer and had brought along a Bristol.

His boss had asked him to drive it up to an address in East London (and back). It had a full tank (according to the gauge) when he left and it was empty by the time he got to London.
He filled it up 18 gallons (8.33 mpg!) and started the return journey.
He had a bit of fun blasting through London traffic (where appropriate) and by the time he got near the M4 (Hammersmith 26 miles) it was well under 3/4 full - he was worried about running out on the journey home (this was late at night) so he filled it again.
Apparently, he had burned through the jungle juice at just over 4mpg

Fabulous cars. But a real Brave Pill - even if they don't go wrong.
You'd need a wallet the size of Jeff Bezos' and 'balls the size of King Kong's' to run one.......