RE: Track overhaul for new CS850R Mustang
RE: Track overhaul for new CS850R Mustang
Thursday 12th May 2022

Track overhaul for new CS850R Mustang

Another day, another 859hp Mustang - although there's more to this one than meets the eye


The history of the Ford Mustang is littered with modified examples, be they from the factory or from various tuning shops across the globe. With time running out for the V8 engine, don’t be surprised if more sneak out while there’s still the chance; the fact that Ford has made right-hand drive versions of the Mach 1 and the California Special for the first time ever can’t be a coincidence. It really does feel like now or never.  

Clive Sutton has been working to a similar motto. It feels like barely a month goes by without another mad Mustang emerging from its workshop. Still, there’s no such thing as too many mad Mustangs, not least when they come specced like this CS850R. Which is not to be confused with the CS850GT launched last year, of course, though they do share the same absurd 859hp output. That comes courtesy of a Whipple supercharger strapped to the 5.0-litre V8, once more with its output (including 665lb ft as well) reaching the rear Michelins via a six-speed manual.  

However, despite twice the power of a Cayman GT4, what’s under the bonnet isn’t the most interesting bit of this new variant. In a bid to “fine tune the car for spirited on-road and track driving”, the CS850R gets a thoroughly overhauled chassis. The standard Magneride suspension has been ditched, replaced by conventional springs and dampers that “achieve sharper input and performance when cornering”. That’s in addition to the extra bracing, new subframe bits and upgraded anti-roll bars seen in the CS850GT.  

But that really is just the start, as there’s also a new Torsen diff to get all that power to the road more effectively, plus a shorter final drive (now 3.37, from 3.55) that ought to make acceleration even more ferocious. The brakes are now better, too, when the time for stopping inevitably comes rather sooner than you expected.  

With these 850 Mustangs aiming to give UK buyers a flavour of the GT500 kept for the US, this new R certainly isn’t discreetly styled. Which you’ve probably noticed. The bonnet, bumpers and exhausts are probably the most noticeable aspects, their impact exaggerated by the ride height drop. Customers can add a track spoiler, too, if they wish.  

Clive Sutton said of the new car: “Our bespoke Mustang programme is popular with customers looking for right-hand drive high-performance Mustangs that outperform almost anything else on the road. Customer feedback we’ve gathered from our GT Mustang enabled us to fine-tune our offering to deliver a quicker, better handling car that provides more driver feedback… and even more smiles!” Can’t say fairer than that. The CS850R is available to order now, priced from £121,000. Or just about the same money Sutton asks for an actual GT500, albeit of course in left-hand drive and with dual-clutch auto. What a decision to have to make…


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Twinair

Original Poster:

1,050 posts

173 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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Who wants one of those ‘horrible’ - ‘outdated’ - ICE contraptions..?? (Genesis thread)

Er, me - me..!!

I am sure a few others would want of these ‘Stangs also - if we had the readies…!

wpa1975

14,843 posts

145 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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Surely it would just make more sense to import a GT500

NigelCayless

234 posts

186 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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and presumably still with isofix points in the back - perfect for the school run!

Zetec-S

6,950 posts

124 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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What a ridiculously silly car... where can I sign up? biggrin

(just need to find a spare £100k... scratchchin)

Jon_S_Rally

4,509 posts

119 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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wpa1975 said:
Surely it would just make more sense to import a GT500
As the article says, you can do that for a similar price, but LHD and auto only.

Different strokes for different folks.

apx7

249 posts

141 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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Er.. Surely shorter final drive would be 3.37 > 3.55 and not the other way around as the article states. Crazy what kind of premium people ask for slapping off the shelf parts onto a car these days and calling it bespoke. Would rather a GT350R myself.

mylesmcd

2,587 posts

250 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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apx7 said:
Er.. Surely shorter final drive would be 3.37 > 3.55 and not the other way around as the article states. Crazy what kind of premium people ask for slapping off the shelf parts onto a car these days and calling it bespoke. Would rather a GT350R myself.
Couldnt agree more.

Mustang is barely a Muscle car anymore, the only thing that it clings to is the coyote V8.

griffdude

1,936 posts

279 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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apx7 said:
Er.. Surely shorter final drive would be 3.37 > 3.55 and not the other way around as the article states. Crazy what kind of premium people ask for slapping off the shelf parts onto a car these days and calling it bespoke. Would rather a GT350R myself.
Was just about to say the same, the gearing has been lengthened if it’s gone from a 3.55 to 3.37 CWP.

GT350R would be more preferable too!

FaustF

813 posts

185 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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I am a mustang nut but these type of articles do annoy.

The drive ratio is wrong, what does 'better brakes' actually entail etc etc.


There is no analysis just reworded press releases, I'd like to have some journalism thrown at this, or heaven forbid an actual drive.

Particularly when it's a car with off the shelf parts lobbed onto it for a massive premium.

VR6 Eug

832 posts

230 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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As nice a thing as that is, In the car wow drag race it lost to a GT500 everytime, so is 850hp really under the bonnet or are Ford being Conservative or would you just rather have something else for the money?

originals

1,635 posts

58 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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Another Sutton advert.

originals

1,635 posts

58 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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Article said:- The CS850R is available to order now, priced from £121,000. Or just about the same money Sutton asks for an actual GT500, albeit of course in left-hand drive and with dual-clutch auto.

I wonder which will hold its value better rofl

anonymous-user

85 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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I do like the looks of this....yummy i fancy the Tyre bill may get a little high though smile

Penguinracer

1,773 posts

237 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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The GT350R is definitely the thoroughbred of the range - the collector's choice - whereas this, while less nuanced, would still be a thrill.

Gareth9702

400 posts

163 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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Every "hot" Mustang tested in Australia has ended in limp mode when track testing due to overheating issues. Ford incorporate improved cooling on the GT350 and GT500 to ensure this doesn't happen. If this is built from a standard Mustang, does it have adequate cooling?

apx7

249 posts

141 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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Gareth9702 said:
Every "hot" Mustang tested in Australia has ended in limp mode when track testing due to overheating issues. Ford incorporate improved cooling on the GT350 and GT500 to ensure this doesn't happen. If this is built from a standard Mustang, does it have adequate cooling?
Probably nothing, on account of all those vital details being omitted from any of their press releases.

georgeyboy12345

4,664 posts

66 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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An Elise with 160 bhp will probably still run rings around it on a track

TUS373

5,238 posts

312 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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Lordy me. What a piece of kit. That is astonishing and I would love to see all of the specs on this. Ridiculous fun. Not cheap, but what would someone normally have to spend to get that sort of car with so much road presence?

anonymous-user

85 months

Thursday 12th May 2022
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I'd bounce the sump off it inside a week.

First thing I'd do is rip out that cheap track-biased slammed rubbish and fit a suspension. Other than that, perfect

untakenname

5,371 posts

223 months

Friday 13th May 2022
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I'm still not sure why there's not more centrifugal blowers used over here, in the USA a $5k bolt on kit with a Vortech will net massive gains which the rest of the car copes with fine and results in a quick car for not much outlay.

georgeyboy12345 said:
An Elise with 160 bhp will probably still run rings around it on a track
Seeing that on track in the GT4 class they've won in a field including Mclaren 570s and Audi R8's that's somewhat fanciful.