RE: Volkswagen Passat W8 | PH Auction Block
RE: Volkswagen Passat W8 | PH Auction Block
Tuesday 26th November 2024

Volkswagen Passat W8 | PH Auction Block

There are rare fast wagons, and then there are rare fast wagons...


Don’t you just love it when a sensible car company briefly turns its back on sanity and creates something terrifically left-field? Like the time when Lexus launched the LFA, a V10-engined supercar that came out of nowhere and cost around five times that of its most expensive model, or when Rover dropped a 4.6-litre Mustang V8 into the 75, just a year before the company filed for bankruptcy. More recently, there’s been the Toyota GR Yaris, built from the ground up for rallying, and yet brilliant too for getting a takeaway home in record time. 

Nobody does silly sensible cars quite like Volkswagen, however. Yes, it’s been making rapid ordinary stuff for yonks, but I’m talking about proper oddities like the VR6-engined Beetle RSI, the jacked-up, GTI-powered Mk2 Golf Country and the ultra-efficient XL1 two-seater. It also went through a period of chucking W engines in anything that could take them (or couldn’t, in the case of the Golf GTI W12-650 prototype). Obviously there was the W12 Phaeton flagship, the incredibly rare twelve-cylinder Touareg, and the Passat W8 we have waiting to go under the PH hammer here.

The W8-engined Passat is quite possibly the greatest example of a ‘boring car, big engine’ there is. The saloon has always been the go-to for the executive who finds a BMW 3 Series or Mercedes C-Class a touch ostentatious, so for VW to drop a sonorous eight-cylinder into the world's most sober car seemed wonderfully out of character for both the firm and the model. And it wasn’t like VW had a W8 engine on the shelf, either. The 4.0-litre unit was developed for and used exclusively by the Passat, and was essentially two narrow-angle VR4 engines bolted together. It mustered a respectable 275hp, spread across both axles through either a five-speed auto (which this one has) or a six-speed manual, and made a uniquely throaty sound that sounds (quite literally) like nothing else.

In VW’s world of million-strong production runs, the Passat W8 was chalked up as a commercial flop with roughly 11,000 examples produced and the engine itself was dropped for the following generation. You’d think that’d be enough of a sample set to find a decent example, but just 248 of those came to the UK. Factor in deprecation of ginormous magnitude and the complexity of its one-off engine and you can understand why few remain registered on the road today - with even fewer in top condition.

So hard is it to find a good W8 here that the first UK-based owner of this example presumably gave up looking and grabbed one from Japan instead. The car was imported in 2018 (so it’s spent a good chunk of its life away from salted roads) and looks to have been cherished by its previous keeper, with nearly five figures spent on maintenance since 2021. It’s also been treated to a suspension upgrade with Bilstein coilovers all round (the Passat W8 was known for being a tad wallowy), and beefier 344mm brakes. Otherwise, it’s completely stock and, by the looks of it, is in fantastic condition.

A moment for the spec: the rarer estate body, the rich Spirit Blue Pearl paint with tan leather interior, and the multi-spoke allow wheels that were bespoke to the W8. It's a lovely example, and one that’s being offered at no reserve, so every bid will count once the auction goes live on Sunday morning. Although if you fancy eight cylinders with more power and fewer doors, this E92 BMW M3 Edition 500 is heading to auction a couple of days prior…


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Billy_Whizzzz

Original Poster:

2,620 posts

172 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Yes, but (a) manual please and (b) an S4 Avant is better and similar price.

Gad-Westy

16,568 posts

242 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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So many reasons not to want this and yet…

paradigital

1,100 posts

181 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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A friend had a saloon back in around 2011, it was both the most dull performance model, and the best warble at the same time.

Thanks, but no thanks.

supacool1

738 posts

208 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Interesting curio on paper with all the Piech era madness. But as a buy....? Nope....

Simoninspalding

176 posts

40 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Which one out of John, Paul, George or Ringo had a VR6?biglaugh

Motormouth88

782 posts

89 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Kinda love it, and bonkers they developed the engine just for this car

vikingaero

13,255 posts

198 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Back in the day, my neighbour was the Big Chief Accountant for a group of VW garages. He used to drive all manner of interesting cars and had a series of W8's - all foisted on the company, forced to be pre-registered and he got to drive them. He didn't appreciate the fuel bill though.

Augustus Windsock

3,787 posts

184 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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I can imagine that if something ‘goes’ deep down in the engine, it will require an engine-out job and cost 1/4 of thr purchase price of this car..?

FaustF

806 posts

183 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Were there any contemporary reviews of the S4 Avant Vs this?

I'm struggling to know where this really fits in, is it more on the GT side of estate work Vs the more sporting S4 approach?

J4CKO

46,824 posts

229 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Augustus Windsock said:
I can imagine that if something ‘goes’ deep down in the engine, it will require an engine-out job and cost 1/4 of thr purchase price of this car..?
1/4 of the price, suspect, if you can find someone who knows these then their bill will probably be more than its worth, and then some, then a bit more, plus VAT. Sort of a fun size Bentley Continental to work on I expect.

I get the rarity and I love anomalies like this but it is otherwise like any other old Passat, the number plates lending it a certain taxi vibe, like it got the square plate so they could fit the taxi plate next to it, but its been removed.

Not sure who buys them, I expect there is a small but fiercely loyal and enthusiastic group of owners who all know each other, I expect there are miniscule numbers of them out there.


Smitters

4,415 posts

186 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Simoninspalding said:
Which one out of John, Paul, George or Ringo had a VR6?biglaugh
Ringo obvs. He did a lot of dynamic testing at some track in Germany, hence the name...

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,741 posts

127 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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A curio but rare for a good reason. No one bought them because they weren't very good....

Mark-C

7,608 posts

234 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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I like this a lot. How much do they normally go for?

rottenegg

1,058 posts

92 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Augustus Windsock said:
I can imagine that if something ‘goes’ deep down in the engine, it will require an engine-out job and cost 1/4 of thr purchase price of this car..?
Head gaskets is all they are known for, which can be done in situ. With the intake manifold off, it's not a big engine. Much more working space than the W12.

Stick some more modern MLS gaskets on and you're good to go. Something a competent mechanic could do in a day.

I wouldn't buy one. It's a lot of weight to haul around in the worst Passat ever made, dynamically speaking, for little reward as the engine is not particularly powerful.

Cryssys

912 posts

67 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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A 4.0L V8 that develops 275bhp?

That's very American

itcaptainslow

4,719 posts

165 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Looks to be a significant amount of filler in picture #50!

One of those cars there was never a market for, but I’m glad VW were bonkers enough to make. They certainly wouldn’t do anything quite so mad now…

BevR

825 posts

172 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Augustus Windsock said:
I can imagine that if something ‘goes’ deep down in the engine, it will require an engine-out job and cost 1/4 of thr purchase price of this car..?
We have had one in the family since 2005 and its generally been okay. However recently a power steering hose went deep in the bowels and the first garage said it was an engine out job as he coudlnt get access, quoting about 3 times what the car is probably worth. The car has huge sentimental value so my brother is looking at other options, very worst case he wants to make a table out of the block although I think the block is a good few hundred kilos.

These are from an era where VW made great sounding but not very fast cars, perfect for bumbling around on todays roads where even my 350bhp S4 rarely gets to sretch its legs.

GeniusOfLove

5,763 posts

41 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
A curio but rare for a good reason. No one bought them because they weren't very good....
This. All of Piech's half baked dick swinging follies are like this, amusing to read about but not something you'd actually buy. This is probably the worst of them all though.

I've had the misfortune of driving a lot of Passats over the years, well I say driving but it's more like prodding an enormous and largely inert gelatinous mass in roughly the direction I want it to go with a rubbery pole, and not once have I thought "the biggest issue with this car is that it doesn't use nearly enough fuel and it needs ever so slightly more performance"

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Tuesday 26th November 09:53

cooperd5

153 posts

201 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Agree this is an (interesting) miss for me. Had a Passat, dynamically awful and odd issues like a locking control unit under passenger seat that fills with water...

AmyRichardson

1,972 posts

71 months

Tuesday 26th November 2024
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Cryssys said:
A 4.0L V8 that develops 275bhp?

That's very American
Merc 4.3 - 275hp
Lexus 4.3 - 290hp
BMW M62 4.4 - 282hp (or the mid-late 00s N62 4.4/315hp)

Etc...

The W8 certainly wasn't special in terms of specific output, but it wasn't entirely off the pace. We forget how "meh" outputs from fairly large N/A engines used to be!

A proper American V8 would be a later Modular V8 - 235hp from 4.6, rubbish even for the time. But then they do survive for mileages that would seem impossible to a lot of Europeans!