RE: 2024 Mercedes-AMG GT 63
Discussion
big_rob_sydney said:
HighwayStar said:
cerb4.5lee said:
HighwayStar said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Just cant believe it, but... that is terrible value for money.
You can go quicker for much less money. The new Tesla Model 3 performance is lighter, seats people more comfortably, will cost pennies to run, and save you about £100k. And what options will people get with the base AMG? This thing is at least £100k overpriced considering what else is available with the level of performance.
C’mon, seriously. I’ve read a lot of your posts over the years. Everyone should buy a Lexus, a model 3 Performance is what people should buy. Well that’s quite right, IF it’s the car the actual want. Some people buy what on paper/spreadsheet makes the most sense in a cold facts way, buying with the head. Others buy with their heart, a proper engine, a car with some soul. A car they want to look back at after a journey or go for a drive in at 5 in the morning. You can go quicker for much less money. The new Tesla Model 3 performance is lighter, seats people more comfortably, will cost pennies to run, and save you about £100k. And what options will people get with the base AMG? This thing is at least £100k overpriced considering what else is available with the level of performance.
The M3P is a good car for what it is but that’s not going to pull anyone’s heartstrings or looking forward to an early drive on the back roads.
Everything you say about the Tesla makes total sense but I have no desire to own one. I’ve never owned a practical car in my life. There’s always been many sensible options at anytime I’ve bought a car but an estate, a 4 door, a Tesla, something cheap to run/insure… all been ignored for something less practical, bought with the heart.
Humans do these things.
It is obvious that I'm not a fan of Tesla of course, but the way that they get bigged up does blow my mind for sure. I genuinely struggle to get it(outside them being cheap motoring for folk who aren't bothered about cars in general).
I mean...this or a nice 911? Or a Tesla? Seriously?
I’ve got no problem with likes Rob being all the way in with EV’s but I just wouldn’t go in on an EV thread and say I can’t believe they’d have one over an XYZ with a thundering V8. Each to their own.
PS… that’s not a dig at you Lee, I know you’re less than keen on EV’s.
Are you honestly going to tell me that a car that does 10.x seconds holds zero appeal? The old one was faster around a track than the equivalent bmw m3, so everything that made the bmw special from a performance point of view was exceeded. And this one will be faster again.
The model 3 performance is quicker than a lot of cars. If performance is what you're looking for, it delivers. And at £100k less than this thing, I just dont understand the thinking against it. I will definitely be trading the old one for a new one when the time comes (I want one thats 1-3 years old); will you be buying this AMG?
Julian Scott said:
And a superbike is even quicker and even cheaper, but they are all totally different things.
I've run a variety of bikes. Last few years its been Fireblade, ZZR1100, R1, R1, S1000RR. Also throw in a few scooters. But you're comparing bikes versus cars, whereas I was comparing cars versus cars.I have considered getting the previous gen AMG GT a few times as well, and they're currently looking like good value I think for their looks/performance etc.
big_rob_sydney said:
Just cant believe it, but... that is terrible value for money.
You can go quicker for much less money. The new Tesla Model 3 performance is lighter, seats people more comfortably, will cost pennies to run, and save you about £100k. And what options will people get with the base AMG? This thing is at least £100k overpriced considering what else is available with the level of performance.
I think what a lot of people are trying to say, and you seem not to get the point, is that there is a lot more to a car than speed.You can go quicker for much less money. The new Tesla Model 3 performance is lighter, seats people more comfortably, will cost pennies to run, and save you about £100k. And what options will people get with the base AMG? This thing is at least £100k overpriced considering what else is available with the level of performance.
I agree the M3P is quick, very quick, but it lacks drama, soul, noise all those evocative things that many people look for in a car. I can get faster than mine quite easily but I find my car playful, dramatic etc - it puts a smile on my face - something a Tesla wouldn't do.
I admire the Tesla for what it is but aside from being quick it is pig ugly and I have zero desire to own one just yet.
Why for example would people buy a Bentley if you can go faster with same amount of passengers for less? Or spend thousands on a classic Jag - same argument applies.
big_rob_sydney said:
Julian Scott said:
And a superbike is even quicker and even cheaper, but they are all totally different things.
I've run a variety of bikes. Last few years its been Fireblade, ZZR1100, R1, R1, S1000RR. Also throw in a few scooters. But you're comparing bikes versus cars, whereas I was comparing cars versus cars.At least I was comparing engine type, seat numbers and exclusivity.....
Aside from wheel count, a Tesla doesn't have a lot in common with an AMG GT. ;-)
big_rob_sydney said:
HighwayStar said:
cerb4.5lee said:
HighwayStar said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Just cant believe it, but... that is terrible value for money.
You can go quicker for much less money. The new Tesla Model 3 performance is lighter, seats people more comfortably, will cost pennies to run, and save you about £100k. And what options will people get with the base AMG? This thing is at least £100k overpriced considering what else is available with the level of performance.
C’mon, seriously. I’ve read a lot of your posts over the years. Everyone should buy a Lexus, a model 3 Performance is what people should buy. Well that’s quite right, IF it’s the car the actual want. Some people buy what on paper/spreadsheet makes the most sense in a cold facts way, buying with the head. Others buy with their heart, a proper engine, a car with some soul. A car they want to look back at after a journey or go for a drive in at 5 in the morning. You can go quicker for much less money. The new Tesla Model 3 performance is lighter, seats people more comfortably, will cost pennies to run, and save you about £100k. And what options will people get with the base AMG? This thing is at least £100k overpriced considering what else is available with the level of performance.
The M3P is a good car for what it is but that’s not going to pull anyone’s heartstrings or looking forward to an early drive on the back roads.
Everything you say about the Tesla makes total sense but I have no desire to own one. I’ve never owned a practical car in my life. There’s always been many sensible options at anytime I’ve bought a car but an estate, a 4 door, a Tesla, something cheap to run/insure… all been ignored for something less practical, bought with the heart.
Humans do these things.
It is obvious that I'm not a fan of Tesla of course, but the way that they get bigged up does blow my mind for sure. I genuinely struggle to get it(outside them being cheap motoring for folk who aren't bothered about cars in general).
I mean...this or a nice 911? Or a Tesla? Seriously?
I’ve got no problem with likes Rob being all the way in with EV’s but I just wouldn’t go in on an EV thread and say I can’t believe they’d have one over an XYZ with a thundering V8. Each to their own.
PS… that’s not a dig at you Lee, I know you’re less than keen on EV’s.
Are you honestly going to tell me that a car that does 10.x seconds holds zero appeal? The old one was faster around a track than the equivalent bmw m3, so everything that made the bmw special from a performance point of view was exceeded. And this one will be faster again.
The model 3 performance is quicker than a lot of cars. If performance is what you're looking for, it delivers. And at £100k less than this thing, I just dont understand the thinking against it. I will definitely be trading the old one for a new one when the time comes (I want one thats 1-3 years old); will you be buying this AMG?
Julian Scott said:
And a superbike is even quicker and even cheaper, but they are all totally different things.
I've run a variety of bikes. Last few years it’s been Fireblade, ZZR1100, R1, R1, S1000RR. Also throw in a few scooters. But you're comparing bikes versus cars, whereas I was comparing cars versus cars.How people like their performance, how they go fast, is served up in different ways. In the past we’ve had threads about some M3/C63 type super saloon with others arguing a something like their Focus RS was just as fast for 1/2 the price. Some love turbo torque delivery while others(me) prefer a high revving NA engine.
There was a thread recently, might’ve been the Merc engine Lotus Emira. Most said they wouldn’t want the turbo 4. Sounds crap, not enough cylinders etc.. one guy was the opposite. Loved the engineering applied to produce so much power from a 2ltr.
My osteopath had a M3P, loved it. Took me for a quick spin in it and yes, it was f
k me fast. No denying it but i didn’t come home, i have to have one and start looking at prices etc.. didn’t even cross his mind. He doesn’t have it now… sold it. Didn’t work for having dogs etc.. he now has a V8 Discovery.EV’s deliver performance but you basically classify it as its speed PHers like so why wouldn’t they want it that way.
For you that’s fine but for me and others it’s more nuanced than simply mashing the throttle and hanging on. I love the flat 6 in my GT4, the noise it makes just trundling around, revving it out. Just that it’s there. Real soul. Love the way it handles. I’m fully aware that an EV would be cheaper to run but I simply don’t care. Why it bothers you that others prefer to run a car for more expensive than they need to baffles me. I completely understand why you prefer EV’s and would chose an M3P, I wouldn’t tell you you should by something I think is better. And that’s really what this is all about, it’s about what you would do! Don’t just expect others to want what you want.
Will I be buying the AMG? No. Why would you even ask?
Edited by HighwayStar on Thursday 23 May 21:56
A lot of people here seem to be saying noise equals soul; or feeling, or passion, or <insert>.
I hate to break it to you, but many of you are perceived as anti-social yobs. Wake your neighbours up in the middle of the night, and how do you think they'll perceive you?
I love the sense of acceleration, cornering and braking as much as the next person, but the way things are going, "car people" are becoming more and more marginalised, and we're pretty much being taxed out of existence by a revenue seeking government. I think the idea of staying under the radar as long as you can is a positive.
If some want to run loud exhausts, that's their choice. But, things aren't going to get easier, and there are now noise metering cameras to contend with, along with whatever else draconian governments will inflict upon motorists.
I hate to break it to you, but many of you are perceived as anti-social yobs. Wake your neighbours up in the middle of the night, and how do you think they'll perceive you?
I love the sense of acceleration, cornering and braking as much as the next person, but the way things are going, "car people" are becoming more and more marginalised, and we're pretty much being taxed out of existence by a revenue seeking government. I think the idea of staying under the radar as long as you can is a positive.
If some want to run loud exhausts, that's their choice. But, things aren't going to get easier, and there are now noise metering cameras to contend with, along with whatever else draconian governments will inflict upon motorists.
thelostboy said:
It looks good, but I don't get it as a proposition.
My dad has the outgoing AMG GTC. It's the antithesis of a 911 Turbo - it's burbly V8 makes a noise all of the time. It oozes character.
Likewise, being RWD, whereas a Turbo puts it power down with zero fuss or drama, the AMG will squirm at the merest provocation. It would get annihilated in any measurable test, but you get out of the AMG GT smiling, whereas the 911 Turbo gets a nod of appreciation.
All I see now is a car that's going to be less competent a 911 Turbo, with no more character. So wouldn't you just opt for the 911?
100% this! I’ve have a current GTC roadster and it’s an awesome car, looks good, loud (the right noises!) and well, just fun! As pointed out it would lose a road test to the 911 but that doesn’t mean it’s not a good sports car but it counters with character the 911 just doesn’t have?My dad has the outgoing AMG GTC. It's the antithesis of a 911 Turbo - it's burbly V8 makes a noise all of the time. It oozes character.
Likewise, being RWD, whereas a Turbo puts it power down with zero fuss or drama, the AMG will squirm at the merest provocation. It would get annihilated in any measurable test, but you get out of the AMG GT smiling, whereas the 911 Turbo gets a nod of appreciation.
All I see now is a car that's going to be less competent a 911 Turbo, with no more character. So wouldn't you just opt for the 911?
The new car is a cop out by merc - the previous two AMG models, SLS and GT both had bespoke chassis, the new GT is just a rebodied SL. That’s not to say it might not be a good car and a viable alternative to a 911, it’s just lost its AMG soul and to me sold out to the bean counters.
A HUGE fan of the old one, we have the gtc roady & the gtr before that but i dont get this as its replacement, in fact, its not.
Its a hard top SL, not the new GT. 1600kg for old one 1930kg for this, not the same thing at all.
Probably a good gt car and looks ok but interior is a step backward to..
No, for me its the new Aston all day long, exhaust has never sounded good, so i’m used to that, they do burble for cruising well though.
Its a hard top SL, not the new GT. 1600kg for old one 1930kg for this, not the same thing at all.
Probably a good gt car and looks ok but interior is a step backward to..
No, for me its the new Aston all day long, exhaust has never sounded good, so i’m used to that, they do burble for cruising well though.
Edited by Kerniki on Friday 24th May 06:56
big_rob_sydney said:
A lot of people here seem to be saying noise equals soul; or feeling, or passion, or <insert>.
I hate to break it to you, but many of you are perceived as anti-social yobs. Wake your neighbours up in the middle of the night, and how do you think they'll perceive you?
I love the sense of acceleration, cornering and braking as much as the next person, but the way things are going, "car people" are becoming more and more marginalised, and we're pretty much being taxed out of existence by a revenue seeking government. I think the idea of staying under the radar as long as you can is a positive.
If some want to run loud exhausts, that's their choice. But, things aren't going to get easier, and there are now noise metering cameras to contend with, along with whatever else draconian governments will inflict upon motorists.
Isn't that more the reason to enjoy it while you can?I hate to break it to you, but many of you are perceived as anti-social yobs. Wake your neighbours up in the middle of the night, and how do you think they'll perceive you?
I love the sense of acceleration, cornering and braking as much as the next person, but the way things are going, "car people" are becoming more and more marginalised, and we're pretty much being taxed out of existence by a revenue seeking government. I think the idea of staying under the radar as long as you can is a positive.
If some want to run loud exhausts, that's their choice. But, things aren't going to get easier, and there are now noise metering cameras to contend with, along with whatever else draconian governments will inflict upon motorists.
big_rob_sydney said:
A lot of people here seem to be saying noise equals soul; or feeling, or passion, or <insert>.
I hate to break it to you, but many of you are perceived as anti-social yobs. Wake your neighbours up in the middle of the night, and how do you think they'll perceive you?
I love the sense of acceleration, cornering and braking as much as the next person, but the way things are going, "car people" are becoming more and more marginalised, and we're pretty much being taxed out of existence by a revenue seeking government. I think the idea of staying under the radar as long as you can is a positive.
If some want to run loud exhausts, that's their choice. But, things aren't going to get easier, and there are now noise metering cameras to contend with, along with whatever else draconian governments will inflict upon motorists.
Whoa… let me get this right. You’re telling me what I’m feelings I get from a car, what I consider soul, response, tactility, is wrong? You’re lumping me and others in with those who have remapped cars with aftermarket exhausts as anti-social yobs. I hate to break it to you, but many of you are perceived as anti-social yobs. Wake your neighbours up in the middle of the night, and how do you think they'll perceive you?
I love the sense of acceleration, cornering and braking as much as the next person, but the way things are going, "car people" are becoming more and more marginalised, and we're pretty much being taxed out of existence by a revenue seeking government. I think the idea of staying under the radar as long as you can is a positive.
If some want to run loud exhausts, that's their choice. But, things aren't going to get easier, and there are now noise metering cameras to contend with, along with whatever else draconian governments will inflict upon motorists.
Waking up people in the middle of the night!!!??? What are you talking about, where is this coming from? Someone has really upset you… my GT4 is standard, not particularly loud and it’s never been out in the middle of the night… yes there are anti-social yobs screaming around in the early hours but that’s a leap to lump anyone with a performance car in with those idiots.
You are reading too much into what I said re noise as you are in saying M3P is faster than an M3 so it’s unfathomable why the M3 owner didn’t buy the Tesla.
Why come on here and moan about the ICE cars are buying, what they are buying and why they are wrong?
HighwayStar said:
big_rob_sydney said:
HighwayStar said:
cerb4.5lee said:
HighwayStar said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Just cant believe it, but... that is terrible value for money.
You can go quicker for much less money. The new Tesla Model 3 performance is lighter, seats people more comfortably, will cost pennies to run, and save you about £100k. And what options will people get with the base AMG? This thing is at least £100k overpriced considering what else is available with the level of performance.
C’mon, seriously. I’ve read a lot of your posts over the years. Everyone should buy a Lexus, a model 3 Performance is what people should buy. Well that’s quite right, IF it’s the car the actual want. Some people buy what on paper/spreadsheet makes the most sense in a cold facts way, buying with the head. Others buy with their heart, a proper engine, a car with some soul. A car they want to look back at after a journey or go for a drive in at 5 in the morning. You can go quicker for much less money. The new Tesla Model 3 performance is lighter, seats people more comfortably, will cost pennies to run, and save you about £100k. And what options will people get with the base AMG? This thing is at least £100k overpriced considering what else is available with the level of performance.
The M3P is a good car for what it is but that’s not going to pull anyone’s heartstrings or looking forward to an early drive on the back roads.
Everything you say about the Tesla makes total sense but I have no desire to own one. I’ve never owned a practical car in my life. There’s always been many sensible options at anytime I’ve bought a car but an estate, a 4 door, a Tesla, something cheap to run/insure… all been ignored for something less practical, bought with the heart.
Humans do these things.
It is obvious that I'm not a fan of Tesla of course, but the way that they get bigged up does blow my mind for sure. I genuinely struggle to get it(outside them being cheap motoring for folk who aren't bothered about cars in general).
I mean...this or a nice 911? Or a Tesla? Seriously?
I’ve got no problem with likes Rob being all the way in with EV’s but I just wouldn’t go in on an EV thread and say I can’t believe they’d have one over an XYZ with a thundering V8. Each to their own.
PS… that’s not a dig at you Lee, I know you’re less than keen on EV’s.
Are you honestly going to tell me that a car that does 10.x seconds holds zero appeal? The old one was faster around a track than the equivalent bmw m3, so everything that made the bmw special from a performance point of view was exceeded. And this one will be faster again.
The model 3 performance is quicker than a lot of cars. If performance is what you're looking for, it delivers. And at £100k less than this thing, I just dont understand the thinking against it. I will definitely be trading the old one for a new one when the time comes (I want one thats 1-3 years old); will you be buying this AMG?
Julian Scott said:
And a superbike is even quicker and even cheaper, but they are all totally different things.
I've run a variety of bikes. Last few years it’s been Fireblade, ZZR1100, R1, R1, S1000RR. Also throw in a few scooters. But you're comparing bikes versus cars, whereas I was comparing cars versus cars.How people like their performance, how they go fast, is served up in different ways. In the past we’ve had threads about some M3/C63 type super saloon with others arguing a something like their Focus RS was just as fast for 1/2 the price. Some love turbo torque delivery while others(me) prefer a high revving NA engine.
There was a thread recently, might’ve been the Merc engine Lotus Emira. Most said they wouldn’t want the turbo 4. Sounds crap, not enough cylinders etc.. one guy was the opposite. Loved the engineering applied to produce so much power from a 2ltr.
My osteopath had a M3P, loved it. Took me for a quick spin in it and yes, it was f
k me fast. No denying it but i didn’t come home, i have to have one and start looking at prices etc.. didn’t even cross his mind. He doesn’t have it now… sold it. Didn’t work for having dogs etc.. he now has a V8 Discovery.EV’s deliver performance but you basically classify it as its speed PHers like so why wouldn’t they want it that way.
For you that’s fine but for me and others it’s more nuanced than simply mashing the throttle and hanging on. I love the flat 6 in my GT4, the noise it makes just trundling around, revving it out. Just that it’s there. Real soul. Love the way it handles. I’m fully aware that an EV would be cheaper to run but I simply don’t care. Why it bothers you that others prefer to run a car for more expensive than they need to baffles me. I completely understand why you prefer EV’s and would chose an M3P, I wouldn’t tell you you should by something I think is better. And that’s really what this is all about, it’s about what you would do! Don’t just expect others to want what you want.
Will I be buying the AMG? No. Why would you even ask?
Edited by HighwayStar on Thursday 23 May 21:56
Motormouth88 said:
9k rpm said:
Motormouth88 said:
Well I think it looks great, and I’m not really a fan of the stuff MB is pumping out these days. Also don’t really understand where people who keep rattling on about how much it looks like a 911, are coming from, it doesn’t.
Loose that dated and ugly iPad look and the interior is quite nice too
Nothing like a 911 you say? Loose that dated and ugly iPad look and the interior is quite nice too
stuart100 said:
I know a guy from a Facebook M3 V8 group. Had a V8 M3 coupe loved it. Loved it so much bought a new lower mileage convertible. Had it for 5 minutes before he sold it to buy a Tesla. Loved it. Not sure how long for though
Rob will be happy then. 
If the guy has bought what he wants and loves it great. If he loves its because its cheaper than an M3, cheaper to run and the acceleration it gives then excellent. I’m all for freedom of choice.
HighwayStar said:
stuart100 said:
I know a guy from a Facebook M3 V8 group. Had a V8 M3 coupe loved it. Loved it so much bought a new lower mileage convertible. Had it for 5 minutes before he sold it to buy a Tesla. Loved it. Not sure how long for though
Rob will be happy then. If the guy has bought what he wants and loves it great. If he loves its because its cheaper than an M3, cheaper to run and the acceleration it gives then excellent. I’m all for freedom of choice.
The guy said it was a rocketship. Not sure what happened after that feeling wore off.
We all like different things. I feel a bid sad our expensive ICE cars can be dusted by an iPhone on wheels, but I take the view I don't compete with them. Not that I compete as such anyway. I wouldn't swap my V8 and I will keep if or some other ICE for as long as possible.
stuart100 said:
The guy said it was a rocketship. Not sure what happened after that feeling wore off.
We all like different things. I feel a bid sad our expensive ICE cars can be dusted by an iPhone on wheels, but I take the view I don't compete with them. Not that I compete as such anyway. I wouldn't swap my V8 and I will keep if or some other ICE for as long as possible.
wc98 said:
stuart100 said:
The guy said it was a rocketship. Not sure what happened after that feeling wore off.
We all like different things. I feel a bid sad our expensive ICE cars can be dusted by an iPhone on wheels, but I take the view I don't compete with them. Not that I compete as such anyway. I wouldn't swap my V8 and I will keep if or some other ICE for as long as possible.
stuart100 said:
I 'm guessing no one bothers to be part of a group taking their EV on a run or a weekend!
Exactly, it's definitely a different type of enthusiast that owns them over and above the people that generally buy them as just another means of transportation with tax/cost advantages. Nothing wrong with that, the motoring enthusiast world is a broad church from those that are into things like polishing, showing standard but well cared for Volvo's, motorsport viewing, participation, track days, driving roads and a whole host of other aspects. This place would be boring if we all liked the same thing.
Message Board | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff