997 GTS Manual vs PDK Values
Discussion
Not looked at UK market, but for LHD models in Germany I struggled to find many manuals - it felt like three PDKs for every manual. Can't recall meaningful difference in price but I guess the main issue is you have less choice, but to be honest don't see a reason for why either one should be cheaper.
I guess the justification all depends on whether you are looking at this from a buyer or seller's perspective, but since most do both over time this doesn't really matter unless the demand for either one were to change more than the other.
A manual may not have the broad appeal but similarly for those who are looking for one, there aren't too many on the market to choose from.
A manual may not have the broad appeal but similarly for those who are looking for one, there aren't too many on the market to choose from.
The 997 is an important 911; it is one of the best shapes and doesn't have the electric steering. As the GTS is a Gen 2, there are no engine worries either.
The PDK in the 997 is nothing special; there's no character and consequently no enjoyment in using it. The 991 and latest Boxster/Cayman benefit from a much improved, enjoyable PDK 'box. As a result, over the long term, the manual 997 will certainly be desired in my opinion and - right now - is also the better buy.
Just think, the cheapest 993s on the market are narrow bodied autos at around £27k. You need £60k for a wide body C2S or C4S manual. I think things will pan out the same for the 997.
The PDK in the 997 is nothing special; there's no character and consequently no enjoyment in using it. The 991 and latest Boxster/Cayman benefit from a much improved, enjoyable PDK 'box. As a result, over the long term, the manual 997 will certainly be desired in my opinion and - right now - is also the better buy.
Just think, the cheapest 993s on the market are narrow bodied autos at around £27k. You need £60k for a wide body C2S or C4S manual. I think things will pan out the same for the 997.
However for now there is no premium - infact they sell of a bit less. This opinion based on trawling the ads for the last 9 months. Comparing a manual to a PDK is not like comparing to a Tiptronic, the PDK is a great gearbox and is just as much fun as a manual and also quicker.
Hence on it's introduction the majority were ordered with a PDK, the opposite to when tiptronic was the 'auto' option.
The 997 GTS is a great car and it's depreciation will be small but tbh I can't see a manual GTS commanding much of a premium because there's still lots around.
In short, buy the car you want not one which has a gearbox which might be slightly rarer.
(997 GTS PDK owner)
Hence on it's introduction the majority were ordered with a PDK, the opposite to when tiptronic was the 'auto' option.
The 997 GTS is a great car and it's depreciation will be small but tbh I can't see a manual GTS commanding much of a premium because there's still lots around.
In short, buy the car you want not one which has a gearbox which might be slightly rarer.
(997 GTS PDK owner)
hondansx said:
The 997 is an important 911; it is one of the best shapes and doesn't have the electric steering. As the GTS is a Gen 2, there are no engine worries either.
The PDK in the 997 is nothing special; there's no character and consequently no enjoyment in using it. The 991 and latest Boxster/Cayman benefit from a much improved, enjoyable PDK 'box. As a result, over the long term, the manual 997 will certainly be desired in my opinion and - right now - is also the better buy.
Just think, the cheapest 993s on the market are narrow bodied autos at around £27k. You need £60k for a wide body C2S or C4S manual. I think things will pan out the same for the 997.
Well said.The PDK in the 997 is nothing special; there's no character and consequently no enjoyment in using it. The 991 and latest Boxster/Cayman benefit from a much improved, enjoyable PDK 'box. As a result, over the long term, the manual 997 will certainly be desired in my opinion and - right now - is also the better buy.
Just think, the cheapest 993s on the market are narrow bodied autos at around £27k. You need £60k for a wide body C2S or C4S manual. I think things will pan out the same for the 997.
Before I took the plunge and purchased my 997 GTS I had a very specific must have list which no matter what the car had to have. Some of these items were important to me as the driver and I have to be honest and say some were important come resale time (BOSE for instance as I rarely have music on in the car!).
The one major thing that was not important to me was the gearbox choice which might strike you as a bit odd...
I like a manual shift and some of my previous cars had great gearbox's (S2000, BMW 1M) but I had never owned a PDK/DSG/SMG type car and quite fancied the move up on the technology side so I really didn't care which my purchase had and in my search there was never a great deal difference in price.
So I bought my perfect spec GTS 2wd with the PDK and love it. Having said that I recently drove a customers GTS with the manual box and loved that too!!!
The one major thing that was not important to me was the gearbox choice which might strike you as a bit odd...
I like a manual shift and some of my previous cars had great gearbox's (S2000, BMW 1M) but I had never owned a PDK/DSG/SMG type car and quite fancied the move up on the technology side so I really didn't care which my purchase had and in my search there was never a great deal difference in price.
So I bought my perfect spec GTS 2wd with the PDK and love it. Having said that I recently drove a customers GTS with the manual box and loved that too!!!
Having recently bought a manual one (finally picking it up on Friday!) I would say that PDK seems to hold a small premium over manual. 4WD also holds another 1-2k. The cars are pretty rare but do seem to be particularly spec and mileage sensitive. From the searching that I did there only seems to have been around 90 x 997GTS in the UK so if you have one, they may be a better proposition over the longer term as other posters have mentioned.
In the 8 weeks I have been waiting to collect mine, I wonder of prices have softened a little - or to be more accurate dealers have dropped the high asking prices a little to move the stock as we hit peak sports car season. Probably overpaid for mine but am not going there, just looking forward to a long bank holiday weekend of non-stop driving! Roll on Friday!
In the 8 weeks I have been waiting to collect mine, I wonder of prices have softened a little - or to be more accurate dealers have dropped the high asking prices a little to move the stock as we hit peak sports car season. Probably overpaid for mine but am not going there, just looking forward to a long bank holiday weekend of non-stop driving! Roll on Friday!
LF11 said:
hondansx said:
The 997 is an important 911; it is one of the best shapes and doesn't have the electric steering. As the GTS is a Gen 2, there are no engine worries either.
The PDK in the 997 is nothing special; there's no character and consequently no enjoyment in using it. The 991 and latest Boxster/Cayman benefit from a much improved, enjoyable PDK 'box. As a result, over the long term, the manual 997 will certainly be desired in my opinion and - right now - is also the better buy.
Just think, the cheapest 993s on the market are narrow bodied autos at around £27k. You need £60k for a wide body C2S or C4S manual. I think things will pan out the same for the 997.
Well said.The PDK in the 997 is nothing special; there's no character and consequently no enjoyment in using it. The 991 and latest Boxster/Cayman benefit from a much improved, enjoyable PDK 'box. As a result, over the long term, the manual 997 will certainly be desired in my opinion and - right now - is also the better buy.
Just think, the cheapest 993s on the market are narrow bodied autos at around £27k. You need £60k for a wide body C2S or C4S manual. I think things will pan out the same for the 997.
The PDK really moved the 997 on and is quite "special" compared to the manual (I have had both).
As for the 993 comparison forget it. The choice there was manual vs Tiptronic, manual vs PDK is a completely different discussion. Don't expect manual values to outstrip PDKs. I expect the opposite to be true.
I was recently on the hunt for my next Porsche. Over the years I have had a new Gen 1 Boxster S, 993 & 996 turbo. I really wasn't too sure what next & even placed a deposit on a new CGTS. I really regretted selling both my 911s; would I feel the same about the Cayman. So decided to look at another 911. I really fancied the 997 GTS. I did however think prices are too high. That was confirmed by a very well respected indy who also said prices will drop. Basically they said if it was going to be a keeper then it would be worth going for but as I change my car every 2-3 years I decided a Gen2 997 C2S PDK was a better buy for ME. IMO a 997 turbo is a more special car & better investment. That's just my two penny worth.
I was recently on the hunt for my next Porsche. Over the years I have had a new Gen 1 Boxster S, 993 & 996 turbo. I really wasn't too sure what next & even placed a deposit on a new CGTS. I really regretted selling both my 911s; would I feel the same about the Cayman. So decided to look at another 911. I really fancied the 997 GTS. I did however think prices are too high. That was confirmed by a very well respected indy who also said prices will drop. Basically they said if it was going to be a keeper then it would be worth going for but as I change my car every 2-3 years I decided a Gen2 997 C2S PDK was a better buy for ME. IMO a 997 turbo is a more special car & better investment. That's just my two penny worth.
Eleven said:
But completely wrong.
The PDK really moved the 997 on and is quite "special" compared to the manual (I have had both).
Your opinion....I tried both with an open mind having not owned a 911 previously. My last car was an auto. The PDK is in a different league to that, but preferred the manual. The PDK really moved the 997 on and is quite "special" compared to the manual (I have had both).
Of course the question concerns values - not which system is best.
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