Searching for 993 or 997 - Stick looking for Stick or relent
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Got it in my skull that my next 911 has got to be a manual but hells bells maybe this is going to be a major
stumbling block.
Narrowed vehicle type lust to 993 coupe narrow or wide - alternatively my 997 coupe preference being Gen2 S, GTS or Turbo.
Never mind trying to source a perfect low mile specimen in a favoured colour etc - just the manual cog box is seemingly enough to put a halt on things.
Odd but most of the 993's for sale seem to be a 50/50 mix re tip vs manual but inexplicably the nicer low mile jobs seems to be autos, especially if narrow body - More of the S models are manual but am yet to come across a nice one advertised worth pursuing.
Obviously as the 997 is a newer model and closer to current trends there appears to be even less manuals, specifically if your seeking a Gen2 - I'm used to the 'long haul' in finding a special car but to be honest I'm finding the above frustrating
and worryingly can feel the dreaded 'spec waver' creeping in!! I really really don't want an auto or PDK
Please if any PH kind soul is thinking of shifting their stick shifting 911 ping me....
stumbling block.
Narrowed vehicle type lust to 993 coupe narrow or wide - alternatively my 997 coupe preference being Gen2 S, GTS or Turbo.
Never mind trying to source a perfect low mile specimen in a favoured colour etc - just the manual cog box is seemingly enough to put a halt on things.
Odd but most of the 993's for sale seem to be a 50/50 mix re tip vs manual but inexplicably the nicer low mile jobs seems to be autos, especially if narrow body - More of the S models are manual but am yet to come across a nice one advertised worth pursuing.
Obviously as the 997 is a newer model and closer to current trends there appears to be even less manuals, specifically if your seeking a Gen2 - I'm used to the 'long haul' in finding a special car but to be honest I'm finding the above frustrating
and worryingly can feel the dreaded 'spec waver' creeping in!! I really really don't want an auto or PDK
Please if any PH kind soul is thinking of shifting their stick shifting 911 ping me....
I couldn't find a 997.2 manual for love nor money, but now that I'm in one, the PDK is not as bad as I feared. It's actually pretty good, with some great ratios and great downchanges in Sport mode.
Except for the ******* steering wheel buttons which enable a mid corner upchange just when you least want it. Can't stand those buttons, but too broke to get the Sports PDK wheel just yet.
Except for the ******* steering wheel buttons which enable a mid corner upchange just when you least want it. Can't stand those buttons, but too broke to get the Sports PDK wheel just yet.
Onetrackmind said:
Personally I'd avoid a 993 tip but I'd definitely give a 997.2 PDK a go. 997.1 turbo manual could also be good as it has the more reliable merger engine. I assume you are avoiding the 997.1 cars due to engine worries?
Hi - Yes have driven a 993 tip which 10 years ago seemed ok , but only that, okayAgain I found the PDK a predictable major leap forward - however with the 911 I just fancy changing cogs myself..
Have not ruled out an early 997 (if exceptional) but thinking and preying my budget will secure a newer job!!
If you like really good 'manual' 911s (and many still do), then either the 993 or 997 would be great choices.
Excellent examples of either will be highly sought after, so may take time to find exactly what you are looking for, but worth the effort, IMO.
993 is the last of air-cooled classics. 6-spd 997s likely to be highly regarded as the last of the 'analogue' water-cooled 911s.
Excellent examples of either will be highly sought after, so may take time to find exactly what you are looking for, but worth the effort, IMO.
993 is the last of air-cooled classics. 6-spd 997s likely to be highly regarded as the last of the 'analogue' water-cooled 911s.
I think if someone wanted to buy a 993 over the past ten years, they would have done the same as you and sought out the manuals, because such a buyer would be the 'purist' looking for the 2wd 6-spd narrow-bodied car yadda yadda
Therefore, as 'keepers' they won't be coming up for sale.
With the recent price explosion, the cars that have come up for sale are the tired examples and the tiptronics that have been sat in someone's garage for fifteen years - owners want to shift these cars on for the large 'profit' we see today.
Obviously the owners who sought-out the 2wd 6-spd are not interested in cashing-in during the current 'bubble'.
ps just to make your life more difficult, Porsche revised the manual gearboxes in 1996 - the earlier G50/21 and G64/21 had shorter ratios - the later G50/20 and G64/20 had longer lazier ratios allegedly to reduce emissions for our american brothers. All the wide-bodied cars allegedly have the lazy gearbox.
So your ideal 993 is probably one with the later varioram engine, and the earlier close-ratio gearbox - most of the MY96 NB cars have this combination. (Obviously once you own a 993 you can do what you like with the ratios).
Good luck
Therefore, as 'keepers' they won't be coming up for sale.
With the recent price explosion, the cars that have come up for sale are the tired examples and the tiptronics that have been sat in someone's garage for fifteen years - owners want to shift these cars on for the large 'profit' we see today.
Obviously the owners who sought-out the 2wd 6-spd are not interested in cashing-in during the current 'bubble'.
ps just to make your life more difficult, Porsche revised the manual gearboxes in 1996 - the earlier G50/21 and G64/21 had shorter ratios - the later G50/20 and G64/20 had longer lazier ratios allegedly to reduce emissions for our american brothers. All the wide-bodied cars allegedly have the lazy gearbox.
So your ideal 993 is probably one with the later varioram engine, and the earlier close-ratio gearbox - most of the MY96 NB cars have this combination. (Obviously once you own a 993 you can do what you like with the ratios).
Good luck
There are loads of manual 997 Gen 2s for sale from about £40k; in fact i got bored of scrolling.
What's wrong with this, for example?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Or this?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Or this at the top of the price spectrum?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Don't discount the Carrera 4 S. It had the Turbo body, so those lovely wide hips and - personally - think they are a better drive. Unlike the Gen 1, the Gen 2 adopted the Turbo's 4WD system and is far superior as a result.
If you want a purist's car though; i wouldn't ge a Turbo. I'd want that flat six howl, not a vacuum cleaner.
What's wrong with this, for example?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Or this?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Or this at the top of the price spectrum?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Don't discount the Carrera 4 S. It had the Turbo body, so those lovely wide hips and - personally - think they are a better drive. Unlike the Gen 1, the Gen 2 adopted the Turbo's 4WD system and is far superior as a result.
If you want a purist's car though; i wouldn't ge a Turbo. I'd want that flat six howl, not a vacuum cleaner.
hondansx said:
There are loads of manual 997 Gen 2s for sale from about £40k; in fact i got bored of scrolling.
What's wrong with this, for example?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Or this?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Or this at the top of the price spectrum?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Don't discount the Carrera 4 S. It had the Turbo body, so those lovely wide hips and - personally - think they are a better drive. Unlike the Gen 1, the Gen 2 adopted the Turbo's 4WD system and is far superior as a result.
If you want a purist's car though; i wouldn't ge a Turbo. I'd want that flat six howl, not a vacuum cleaner.
Thanks - have ticked off the list your trio for one reason or tuther (GTS sold) What's wrong with this, for example?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Or this?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Or this at the top of the price spectrum?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Don't discount the Carrera 4 S. It had the Turbo body, so those lovely wide hips and - personally - think they are a better drive. Unlike the Gen 1, the Gen 2 adopted the Turbo's 4WD system and is far superior as a result.
If you want a purist's car though; i wouldn't ge a Turbo. I'd want that flat six howl, not a vacuum cleaner.
Certainly haven't discounted the C4 S and admit I was unaware it benefited from the Turbos drivetrain. The 'hips' sure would sway me.. Yum..
hondansx said:
There are loads of manual 997 Gen 2s for sale from about £40k; in fact i got bored of scrolling.
What's wrong with this, for example?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Or this?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Or this at the top of the price spectrum?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Don't discount the Carrera 4 S. It had the Turbo body, so those lovely wide hips and - personally - think they are a better drive. Unlike the Gen 1, the Gen 2 adopted the Turbo's 4WD system and is far superior as a result.
If you want a purist's car though; i wouldn't ge a Turbo. I'd want that flat six howl, not a vacuum cleaner.
Off topic but I didn't know you got Gen2 cars with Gen1 multifunction wheels (C4S ad)?What's wrong with this, for example?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Or this?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Or this at the top of the price spectrum?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Don't discount the Carrera 4 S. It had the Turbo body, so those lovely wide hips and - personally - think they are a better drive. Unlike the Gen 1, the Gen 2 adopted the Turbo's 4WD system and is far superior as a result.
If you want a purist's car though; i wouldn't ge a Turbo. I'd want that flat six howl, not a vacuum cleaner.
Rightly or wrongly, mileage will always have a significant bearing on prices, as it underpins the ultimate value.
Of course, huge number of other factors to consider, but a 993 with 30, 40, 50, 60K mls is going to command a decent premium for those looking for a semi-collectable air-cooled 911.
I'd say up to c.3,000 mls pa is low mileage. For some people it's important, for some people it isn't.
Of course, huge number of other factors to consider, but a 993 with 30, 40, 50, 60K mls is going to command a decent premium for those looking for a semi-collectable air-cooled 911.
I'd say up to c.3,000 mls pa is low mileage. For some people it's important, for some people it isn't.
Hi all - Thought long and hard about what to get and in the end found a widebody 993C4s. Its certainly not the Concours garage Queen I at first
had in mind. What it is though is a total U turn prospect for me. Its something that I am actually going to use!! Of course I will love, cherish and
look after accordingly but the thought of using and enjoying whilst not freaking out about the mileage or rain clouds overhead is quite an exciting thought!
Oh aye - she's a manual.........
had in mind. What it is though is a total U turn prospect for me. Its something that I am actually going to use!! Of course I will love, cherish and
look after accordingly but the thought of using and enjoying whilst not freaking out about the mileage or rain clouds overhead is quite an exciting thought!
Oh aye - she's a manual.........
Hi Jonny, apologies if I'm too late to this thread, but are you committed to the 993C4S? I'm letting go of my Gen II 997 C2S in the next 3-4 weeks as I'm buying a 599. My car is guards red, manual, 33,000 miles, full Porsche main dealer history. Lovely thing, but just can't resist scratching the Ferrari V12 itch again! Let me know and I can always email you more details.
SL550M said:
Hi Jonny, apologies if I'm too late to this thread, but are you committed to the 993C4S? I'm letting go of my Gen II 997 C2S in the next 3-4 weeks as I'm buying a 599. My car is guards red, manual, 33,000 miles, full Porsche main dealer history. Lovely thing, but just can't resist scratching the Ferrari V12 itch again! Let me know and I can always email you more details.
Hi - Yes committed sorry but good luck scratching that V12!!Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff